Stand off drowning migrants and report – or face prosecution, sailors warned

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Gabrielle56

I just luuuurve how the wealthy and famous are quick to criticize everyone else about being nasty to the poor refugees and how we should ll give up our life savings to help them........yet I've not been able to find any instances of these same eejits opening their considerable homes(plural in many cases) to help house these poor souls once they land, ?

Michael Rosen doesn't have a considerable home.

I believe Gary Lineker has taken in and housed a few refugees.

Where did this idea of stopping the sales of small vessels come from? One of my Facebook contacts thought we should confiscate all the boats on the north coast of France. I suppose it would kill two birds with one stone. People traffickers and the fishing problem.

2 billion people in the world speak English. There's getting on for 8 billion people in the world.

2 billion isn't most of 8 billion.

Just thought I drop that in. Can't let made up statistics stand unchallenged, can we?

As you were.

WonderBra

I'm a taxpayer, been working full time since I was 16, and for many years of that in very low paid jobs.

With the approx 80,000 asylum seekers in the UK at the moment, who receive just under £40 each per week, that costs me (one of currently just over £30,000,000 taxpayers in the UK ) the massive sum of 9p per week. In actual fact, I probably pay a lot less than that, as a lower rate taxpayer.
For less than 2p a day, I am absolutely happy to support these poor, scared, homeless people who have been in the absolutely devastating position of losing pretty much everything. To be honest, I'd happily pay an awful lot more.

I can't begin to imagine what desperation they must be going through, to even attempt the over-land journeys, let alone the sea crossings. They are human, many well educated, but regardless, human.

I really can't begin to understand those who would rather they drowned. These people are a valuable asset to our country, but regardless of whether they have any economic value to us, they are human.

Where is our compassion?

Just a small point, but there are far more than 30 million taxpayers in the UK. Only (about) 25% of the tax paid in the UK is income tax. Most of it comes from other sources such as VAT. It's impossible to escape paying tax in the UK. Therefore, we are all paying less than 9p each.

Ever heard the term "keyboard warriors" ? Trust me, the vast VAST. Majority of people who talk a good fight are utter WIMPS when it comes to putting their money where their gobs are! It's easy to say all this junk , and thank gawd these twerps have no say in the matter! On a yacht/ sailing the channel ?!?! What a laugh , the closest they get to anything so adventurous is going down the pub when it's raining! Ignore them , they're liars. Real people do really extraordinary things and never tell anyone....before or after....

Why automatically assume that all are legitimate asylum seekers?

We're not assuming that all are legitimate asylum seekers, but if you read back through this thread you will find official information that says that at least 80% are (I have seen 90% quoted elsewhere). But this cannot be determined until they have been through the application (and appeal) process. So, until that has been done, we give them the benefit of the doubt.

They are working age men because they are the most likely to be able to endure the journey and to find work if their application is approved. If they are married (why assume that all of them are single?) they can support their families either by bringing them here or sending them money.

Isn't this a bit obvious?

Gabrielle56

I just luuuurve how the wealthy and famous are quick to criticize everyone else about being nasty to the poor refugees and how we should ll give up our life savings to help them........yet I've not been able to find any instances of these same eejits opening their considerable homes(plural in many cases) to help house these poor souls once they land, ?

Michael Rosen doesn't have a considerable home.

Lincslass

westendgirl

Thank you Mamie for your post. I heard something very similar on Today this morning.
The problem here is that the whole issue has been aggravated by the overblown claims of some newspapers fed by the likes of Nigel Farage, often to try to manipulate Joe Public to vote in a certain way .

Oh dear, same old same old.

Yes indeed! Same old same old. It defies all logic that people still listen to the old, has-been stirrer (whose bank account would appear to need replenishing).

I just luuuurve how the wealthy and famous are quick to criticize everyone else about being nasty to the poor refugees and how we should ll give up our life savings to help them........yet I've not been able to find any instances of these same eejits opening their considerable homes(plural in many cases) to help house these poor souls once they land, ?

Whitewavemark2

Michael Rosen ????
@MichaelRosenYes
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Politicians puffing themselves up by talking about ‘criminal gangs’, as if that’s the ethical way of dealing with a refugee crisis. The ethical way to deal with refugees is to help them.

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Meaning? It's true that criminal gangs are exploiting desperate and apparently cash handy refugees ! These gangs have to be stopped! What's wrong with saying that? Ethical way? What IS he on about? Smashing people smuggling is to do with protection of vulnerable. Anyone want to tell me how that's "unethical" ?? Rowlocks!

Whitewavemark2

babspanky

Of course I would not watch someone drown whoever they were .
I do notice though that a lot of people are calling the immigrants asylum seekers. They are not asylum seekers, they are illegal immigrants. France is not a war zone.

No they are asylum seekers, and asylum seekers are NOT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

They are entitled, under international law to seek asylum in a country of their own choice.

Shamefully, an MP, Miriam Cates, made the same mistake on national TV and argued that she was right. Is it any wonder that members of the public believe the same lie?

Maremia

Is it true that one of those poor souls was an Afghan soldier who had served with the British army, and left behind after the fall of Kabul? If so, those Posters who just don't get it, the reason he fled his native land is because his 'collaboration' with the enemy has earned him, and his family, Taliban torture and execution.
Urmstongran, not happy to pay £39 per week to an immigrant until they get permission to stay and work, but happy to pay daily unlimited expenses to our 'overworked' MPs?

Why automatically assume that all are legitimate asylum seekers? Why are there such a very high proportion of single working aged men? Where are their families? And the reason given that "they speak English" most of the world speaks bloody English ,they can't ALL. Just land and stay!! Genuine cases have to be established and politicians have failed to organise a solution whereby there's a legit centre based in France (like embassy) where claims can be processed and rejected before they're already here. Because we have absolutely no idea how to remove failed claimants and our appeals system is the joke of the world! I would rather live in a pit in the ground than to risk my children's lives in a dingy!! They are the ones putting lives at risk! And, why aren't these inflatable boats simply punctured on the beaches, and sales stopped? Because the French and rest of Europe are happy to pass on the issue to UK, specially after we've left EU. I wish folks would be realistic and stop being so bleeding misty eyed about this situation!! It needs proper organisation and true leadership , not cups of tea and sympathy!

In 2001, the majority of asylum seekers came from Afghanistan, Somalia and Iran, where there were civil wars.

commonslibrary.parliament.uk/migration-statistics-how-many-asylum-seekers-and-refugees-are-there-in-the-uk/

People just got on a plane if they could and landed at a UK airport and immediately claimed asylum. That route has been closed down. Hope that answers your question.

Maritime law I'd to help ANYONE in peril in seas, wherever they are. "Stand off" ??? Sounds completely made up and the "ooh you'll be prosecuted"? A load of old cobblers, honestly, barrack room lawyers...........

Is it true that one of those poor souls was an Afghan soldier who had served with the British army, and left behind after the fall of Kabul? If so, those Posters who just don't get it, the reason he fled his native land is because his 'collaboration' with the enemy has earned him, and his family, Taliban torture and execution.
Urmstongran, not happy to pay £39 per week to an immigrant until they get permission to stay and work, but happy to pay daily unlimited expenses to our 'overworked' MPs?

"Perhaps it might be a start to ban the sale of inflatables, canoes, dinghies, jet skis etc. Not going to happen is it."

... where would you ban the sales - Calais? Surrounding areas - perhaps the whole of France? Or even countries bordering France - Spain, Switzerland, Belgium, Germany?

It's not going to happen because it really is not the solution.

I'm a taxpayer, been working full time since I was 16, and for many years of that in very low paid jobs.

With the approx 80,000 asylum seekers in the UK at the moment, who receive just under £40 each per week, that costs me (one of currently just over £30,000,000 taxpayers in the UK ) the massive sum of 9p per week. In actual fact, I probably pay a lot less than that, as a lower rate taxpayer.
For less than 2p a day, I am absolutely happy to support these poor, scared, homeless people who have been in the absolutely devastating position of losing pretty much everything. To be honest, I'd happily pay an awful lot more.

I can't begin to imagine what desperation they must be going through, to even attempt the over-land journeys, let alone the sea crossings. They are human, many well educated, but regardless, human.

I really can't begin to understand those who would rather they drowned. These people are a valuable asset to our country, but regardless of whether they have any economic value to us, they are human.

Where is our compassion?

HannahLoisLuke

vegansrock

Surely there should be a British processing centre in France where potential migrants could apply for settlement in the U.K. Then there wouldn’t be this necessity to take risks travelling. At the moment they can’t apply till they are on British soil. This would mean cooperating with France though.

Just listening to Jeremy Vine where they’re discussing this question. First of all France have to agree to having our Border Force operating in their country. Secondly, not all applicants would be granted asylum so the unsuccessful ones would still try to get here illegally.
Perhaps it might be a start to ban the sale of inflatables, canoes, dinghies, jet skis etc. Not going to happen is it.

They do agree, when it suits them. Hence employed around the tunnel and ports.

Repatriated where because of Brexit it wouldn’t be to an EU country.

'Repatriation' usually means returning them to their home country, mokryna. Though I'm well aware that there can be problems with this.

westendgirl

Thank you Mamie for your post. I heard something very similar on Today this morning.
The problem here is that the whole issue has been aggravated by the overblown claims of some newspapers fed by the likes of Nigel Farage, often to try to manipulate Joe Public to vote in a certain way .

Oh dear, same old same old.

whether we approve of asylum seekers coming here or not,they are human beings,I don't like to hear of them drowning,and I would hope that they could be saved if possible.

Well said Coastpath, I am very happy to keep paying. These are people and each has a life snd could easily have been you or me.

Tragic pictures of people setting off yesterday in a hopelessly overloaded and unsuitable boat. They think it's going to be a short journey and have no idea how dangerous the channel is. With the water temperature now they will succumb to hypothermia very quickly if they don't drown first.

Surely this contravenes maritime law! Who could stand by and not help 'those in peril on the sea' - we are a seafaring nation. How can anyone justify watching desperate people drown!!!! Our government brings us shame.

MaizieD

^Secondly, not all applicants would be granted asylum so the unsuccessful ones would still try to get here illegally.^

If the Home Office were fit for purpose one would assume that they would be swiftly repatriated, not left at large to try to cross the channel.

Repatriated where because of Brexit it wouldn’t be to an EU country.