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GrannyGravy13

Kali2

It was the whole point of the EU, work, cooperate, with our partners, be stronger, be more efficient, and so much more.

It has happened- but you have to come to accept the consequences of losing the cooperation of our ex-partners in 100s of ways- including this one.

There is not much co-operation within the EU regarding Polands border with Belarus?

Have you seen the poor souls, many families with young children stuck in no man’s land between the barbed wire fences. The snow will be arriving there anyway now, how many of those will perish?

So what are we saying now?

The Poles are really bad and not playing by the rules so we're not that bad really?

How would you like Macron 'to lead the way' - Police and CRS (the very 'heavy', extra armed, French police- posted in large groups from all over France, in the Calais region) - have been smashing up and burning camps, beating up refugees - would you like them to do more? And if so ... what?

Shoot on sight? Are you prepared to accept this?

Kali2

It was the whole point of the EU, work, cooperate, with our partners, be stronger, be more efficient, and so much more.

It has happened- but you have to come to accept the consequences of losing the cooperation of our ex-partners in 100s of ways- including this one.

There is not much co-operation within the EU regarding Polands border with Belarus?

Have you seen the poor souls, many families with young children stuck in no man’s land between the barbed wire fences. The snow will be arriving there anyway now, how many of those will perish?

They are taken to centres, fed, given clothing and somewhere to stay whilst their asylum claims are processed.

They are not seeking asylum in France. There are many reasons why people are entitled to claim asylum in the UK, not just family ties. But you have to be in the UK.

God, I'm weary of this.

Whitewavemark2

Who bloody cares what other countries are doing.

I care about MY country and the way we are behaving.

We are rescuing and looking after the migrants who arrive here.....so how are we behaving?
The trouble is, various posters are political point scoring over this matter.

GrannyGravy13

lemongrove

You are not the only one WW so why would you think that?!
It doesn’t help though to say or imply that others on GN do not care about the loss of life.
It also doesn’t help to say ‘don’t blame the French’ ....the migrants are in France so should take the blame.They allow camps to build up which is the main problem.

There have been some reports from observers that the temporary camps (I do not think camp is an accurate description of a hotchpotch of tarpaulins/plastic bags etc being used for cover) are being systematically destroyed by French Police in order to discourage the migrants.

If this is correct, they are indirectly contributing to the dangerous channel crossings these desperate folks are attempting.

If this is correct, they are indirectly contributing to the dangerous channel crossings these desperate folks are attempting.

... so the French will be blamed on the one hand for not destroying the camps - and also blamed on the other, because they have.

When they do destroy the camps - they bus back those migrants that are still around back to the asylum centre. Of course, some will run away and then return to re-build their 'camps'.

It's really not that easy to please those on this side of the channel is it?

It was the whole point of the EU, work, cooperate, with our partners, be stronger, be more efficient, and so much more.

It has happened- but you have to come to accept the consequences of losing the cooperation of our ex-partners in 100s of ways- including this one.

Whitewavemark2

Our government could act like adults and lead the way. But they won’t because they aren’t.

What is your solution?
Could Macron ‘lead the way’ also, since the migrants are leaving on this perilous journey from his country.

Robin38

Kali2

Johnson and all keep talking about how they should work with their partners in the EU, and particularly France. They were your partners, but you have alienated them to such an extent, and you have chosen for them not to be 'partners' anymore.

Oh for heavens sake. Stop banging the Brexit drum. It’s over we have left. Get over it.

Part of this is a direct result of Brexit- whether you like it or not. And many warnings were given at the time, including some of us on here. Yes, we have left- and we have lost the goodwill of those who were our partners.

Lucca

lemongrove

Allowing the camps to build up is a big part of the problem,
If there were no camps then people smugglers couldn’t trawl them for clients for a start.
We already are co-operating with French authorities on this matter and have been for years, but we cannot stop people getting into boats over there.

So what should happen to the migrants who turn up there ?

The same as happens here! They are taken to centres, fed, given clothing and somewhere to stay whilst their asylum claims are processed.If they have family (or any links) in the UK that they can prove, perhaps we could consider their cases as a priority.Others would have to apply for asylum in France.
Not allowed to wild camp anywhere at the coast.Yes, it’s a thorny problem for all countries.

I think it’s closer to 200 km of coast which makes it impossible to police.
The £54 million has not been
Paid, Just promised, pretty much like the 40 new hospitals and tens of thousands of doctors and nurses which also havnt materialised,
The particular reasons why some want to come here have already been explained, As for numbers, these are far fewer than other European countries are taking in, We are led to believe we have more than anywhere, but in actuality we have the fewest,
Can’t those who are being so hard see these as people! They are someone’s sons daughters sisters brothers?
A close relative is involved with helping refugees in Europe and we have met many , all of whom just want peace and safety for themselves and their families. Just as we who are lucky enough to have security enjoy, Were we in their situation those with drive and courage would probably be doing the exact same thing.

Our government could act like adults and lead the way. But they won’t because they aren’t.

Whitewavemark2

Who bloody cares what other countries are doing.

I care about MY country and the way we are behaving.

Serious question, other than taking care of these desperate folks once they arrive in the U.K.(which happens) what can any of us do whilst they are still in another Country?

Who bloody cares what other countries are doing.

I care about MY country and the way we are behaving.

It seems to be that people think the world operates on a very simple model.

The French aren't pulling their weight.

The French aren't stopping the crossings.

If we get rid of the people traffickers the migrants will miraculously stop wanting to come here.

They only want to come here for the hotel accommodation and free money.

Unfortunately, our government seem to think the same way because they have all the political sophistication of a 3 year old.

lemongrove

Allowing the camps to build up is a big part of the problem,
If there were no camps then people smugglers couldn’t trawl them for clients for a start.
We already are co-operating with French authorities on this matter and have been for years, but we cannot stop people getting into boats over there.

So what should happen to the migrants who turn up there ?

Allowing the camps to build up is a big part of the problem,
If there were no camps then people smugglers couldn’t trawl them for clients for a start.
We already are co-operating with French authorities on this matter and have been for years, but we cannot stop people getting into boats over there.

This is where the law stands.

www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjHne7UlbP0AhXH8bsIHY60CRIQFnoECA8QAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.infomigrants.net%2Fen%2Fpost%2F21314%2Fsea-rescue--what-the-law-says&usg=AOvVaw3c_3-HkclgLYdWLLR3DWIF

Alegrias1

^It also doesn’t help to say ‘don’t blame the French’ ....the migrants are in France so should take the blame. They allow camps to build up which is the main problem.^

Read my post. Try not to be so uninformed.

The French police have only just recently smashed up one of the camps - there are photo's of the migrants queuing up with backpacks - and some with their inflatables - waiting to be bussed back to the asylum centre.

Much of the media would prefer to show photo's of the police watching them sail away towards the channel though...

Dickens

Do people realise how difficult it is to police about 150 km of - often rugged - coastline, and the manpower needed to do this?

As surveillance increases - so do the methods and tactics of the traffickers. There is also a policy of not intercepting boats once they are in the water as this is considered too dangerous due to the risk of panic or sudden movement that could capsize the vessel. The traffickers know this and adjust their MO accordingly.

The media is full of photo's showing the police standing by whilst migrants sail away - but if you search just a few minutes longer, there are also photo's of dinghies that have been slashed by the police to prevent them being used. The media is selective.

We need co-operation between our two countries, and the government's continual anti-EU, anti-French, rhetoric really does not help.

How well do you think we would cope if the situation were reversed? Would we be as gung-ho as we expect the French to be?

It's so easy to be critical.

Good post ! Particularly this “ The media is full of photo's showing the police standing by whilst migrants sail away - but if you search just a few minutes longer, there are also photo's of dinghies that have been slashed by the police to prevent them being used. The media is selective.”

Sorry to repeat myself... but read my bl**dy post!!

Kali2

Johnson and all keep talking about how they should work with their partners in the EU, and particularly France. They were your partners, but you have alienated them to such an extent, and you have chosen for them not to be 'partners' anymore.

Oh for heavens sake. Stop banging the Brexit drum. It’s over we have left. Get over it.

lemongrove

You are not the only one WW so why would you think that?!
It doesn’t help though to say or imply that others on GN do not care about the loss of life.
It also doesn’t help to say ‘don’t blame the French’ ....the migrants are in France so should take the blame.They allow camps to build up which is the main problem.

There have been some reports from observers that the temporary camps (I do not think camp is an accurate description of a hotchpotch of tarpaulins/plastic bags etc being used for cover) are being systematically destroyed by French Police in order to discourage the migrants.

If this is correct, they are indirectly contributing to the dangerous channel crossings these desperate folks are attempting.

Kali2

Johnson and all keep talking about how they should work with their partners in the EU, and particularly France. They were your partners, but you have alienated them to such an extent, and you have chosen for them not to be 'partners' anymore.

So....we have ‘alienated’ France by leaving the EU bloc and this is why they aren’t taking responsibility for the migrants there,
Is this what you are saying Kali ? Shocking!

It also doesn’t help to say ‘don’t blame the French’ ....the migrants are in France so should take the blame. They allow camps to build up which is the main problem.

Read my post. Try not to be so uninformed.