Stand off drowning migrants and report – or face prosecution, sailors warned

This is truly disturbing and shocking

RNLI lifeboat crew members were subjected to “horrible” abuse and saw their boat blocked by a group of angry people – just days after 27 migrants perished at sea.

Zoe, from Hastings, told LBC’s James O’Brien she witnessed the group blocking the RNLI lifeboat and shouting, “don’t bring any more of those home, we’re full up, that’s why we stopped our donations, and that kind of really horrible stuff.”

She added: “It was really upsetting, and you could hear the hatred in their voice.”
“Hatred”

Zoe said she was on the beach, near the harbour arm, with her boyfriend on Saturday November 20, when they “heard the lifeboat station opening up and thought ‘oh they have a call’ and started watching.”

She said as the “lifeboat crew pulled the boat out and were going to go into the water”, a group of people “stood directly in the line of the boat so the boat couldn’t be put in the water.”

“Are you sure?” O’Brien asked her.

“I’m absolutely sure, the police were called,” she replied. “It really shook me to the core and we thought of it yesterday night when we saw the news that people had passed away again.”

Yes Dinahmo, some shocking sentiments being expressed, but never mind, it's almost Christmas, when we will no doubt celebrate the birth of a middle eastern Child, who then had to travel with his parents to a foreign land, to survive persecution.

For those Posters a few pages ago, who were getting a bit ruffled because someone dared to mention BREXIT, please note that while we were members of the EU, we could use the DUBLIN ACCORD to return people to whichever EU country they had come from, before landing in Britain. Well, because of BREXIT, we no longer have access to that agreement. We no longer have the right of return.

I’m still very disturbed by the word ‘processing’ being used when referring to people Not a criticism of people on here using it because that’s the ‘official’ was to say it but it chills me when I hear it.

Whitewave I heard the very moving poem too this morning by Michael Morpurgo.

I've got as far as page 4 and am shocked at the content of some of the posts. Some of you seem to think that most asylum seekers are headed for the UK without wanting to stay in any other country. It's just not true.

In 2020 Germany took in 128,000, Spain 124,000 and France 86,000. So far this year 25,700 crossed the channel so far this year. Apparently 3 times more than crossed in 2020. So 1/3 of that is under 9000. Please compare that with the figures for Germany, Spain and France and then tell me that the UK is being flooded by refugees.

Most asylum seekers stay in countries closest to their home countries apparently which means that Turkey is hosting 3.7 million.

The English Channel is 350 miles long. Admittedly it's maximum width is 150 miles but that still leaves a long coastline to be policed, once which is less densely populated that the south coast of England. I don't see why the French should be policing the coast just to prevent asylum seekers trying to get to England.

MaizieD

Calistemon

So that would entail the area in France where British staff process applications being designated British territory.
Calais has been French again since 1558 so I don't think they're going to give it back without a fight and we don't want another 100 years war.

We only need a bit of it, Calistemon.

I thought our Army bases abroad might be considered British territory, so maybe one could be created in Northern France?
If not, I'm sure in Cyprus the army has an existing base where the land it is on is identified as British sovereign territory and therefore under Britishlaw. Why not get the processing done there, as most refugees are passing that way early on in their journey?

ouch! And 'get on your ... bike' or whatever.

If the government stop legitimate routes to claim asylum it can surely be no surprise when private enterprise ie people traffickers, fill the gap.

Well, tories do believe in private enterprise, GillT57...

TopsyIrene06

Can't do tech Alegrias1! Worth a look though isn't it.

That peerage MaizieD was the one that absolutely flawed me. I never know what she is banging on about either.

I forgot to mention 'former member of the Communist Party'

Though I suppose that far right &very far left probably have authoritarianism in common..

Calistemon

^So that would entail the area in France where British staff process applications being designated British territory.^
Calais has been French again since 1558 so I don't think they're going to give it back without a fight and we don't want another 100 years war.

We only need a bit of it, Calistemon.

So that would entail the area in France where British staff process applications being designated British territory.
Calais has been French again since 1558 so I don't think they're going to give it back without a fight and we don't want another 100 years war.

Wasn’t the border to U.K. created in France - that is why there is a sort of border at the ports. An Embassy outpost could be created there - or nearby - the current camp areas could perhaps have a few containers or similar kitted out as temporary offices - this could be financed from the money U.K. still pays France to deal so harshly with these people.
Care4Calais has warehousing etc in the area where they store and distribute things - I am sure they would be delighted to help. Maybe they could even let the schools be set up again so the people could learn a bit more English before crossing.
Above all a bit more humanity needs to be shown to the PEOPLE who have fled desperate situations and are living desperate lives. Some of the children living there are toddlers etc who were born while their mothers were migrating - imagine that - never having experience of a proper home and community!

Very interesting read, thank you for the link. It is all "stating the bleedin' obvious" which makes it all the more depressing really. If the government stop legitimate routes to claim asylum it can surely be no surprise when private enterprise ie people traffickers, fill the gap.

MaizieD

It does seem obvious that the process of dealing with asylum applications should start in France, (at ports rather than the British Embassy in Paris, though..) But apparently, applications for asylum have to be made in the country that is being applied to. So that would entail the area in France where British staff process applications being designated British territory.

Can you imagine France, in the current dire state of Franco-British relationships, agreeing to that?

(P.S. I'm going by what an immigration expert has said on twitter. It could be wrong. Willing to be corrected if anyone knows better)

I also heard an expert from Oxford university say that

Can't do tech Alegrias1! Worth a look though isn't it.

That peerage MaizieD was the one that absolutely flawed me. I never know what she is banging on about either.

I had to look up Baroness Fox of Buckley. Apparently the Town Council of Buckley wrote to Boris Johnson because they didn't want the town to be associated with her.

Bravo, Buckley.

Alegrias1

TopsyIrene06

I have just taken four minutes to watch Lord Kerr explain his thoughts on the government claims about refugees yesterday.

Full transcript here: bit.ly/3xqvYL1.

That is very good, isn't it TopsyIrene06? Thank goodness we still have people willing to call out the liars in "parliamentary language".

The link didn't work well for me so here it is again:

hansard.parliament.uk/Lords/2021-11-25/debates/9FD5AE92-CEDB-4179-99FB-0D4DBE0A671E/details#contribution-A154E839-D996-447E-86D6-F408F4562978

Lord Kerr must read Gnet, such familiar corrections of the lies

Was it me, or did the following speech from Baroness Fox (former IRA supporter now ennobled for her support of Brexit) not make any sense at all?

TopsyIrene06

I have just taken four minutes to watch Lord Kerr explain his thoughts on the government claims about refugees yesterday.

Full transcript here: bit.ly/3xqvYL1.

That is very good, isn't it TopsyIrene06? Thank goodness we still have people willing to call out the liars in "parliamentary language".

The link didn't work well for me so here it is again:

hansard.parliament.uk/Lords/2021-11-25/debates/9FD5AE92-CEDB-4179-99FB-0D4DBE0A671E/details#contribution-A154E839-D996-447E-86D6-F408F4562978

The young Lady named was desperately trying to join her fiancé.

Please, watch the French film 'Welcome' - about a young Iraki trying to do the same ... I have watched this film 3 times- and everytime I think 'he could be my grandson' ...

youtu.be/t40ANH4Pe14

I have just taken four minutes to watch Lord Kerr explain his thoughts on the government claims about refugees yesterday.

Full transcript here: bit.ly/3xqvYL1.

In my working life I occasionally had dealings with the Home Office.

Yes even back then it was both chaotic and xenophobic. We had a member of the home office seconded to our department, and she was absolutely dreadful, to such an extent it was requested that she returned PDQ, as her biased meant that she was making very stupid decisions. I think it has got worse since.

They have a minister who is both a bully and not very bright.

Just for interest, this thread, the original tweet and comments

twitter.com/ColinYeo1/status/1464255403663974404

Whitewavemark2

Of course it would be a lot easier just to give them safe passage and deal with the whole process quickly and efficiently once they arrive.

Not going to happen all the time this lot are in power though.

I doubt if the Home Office could cope. It is notoriously chaotically run... Something radical would need to be done to change this.

British Embassy is a non-starter