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Stand off drowning migrants and report – or face prosecution, sailors warned

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GagaJo Wed 24-Nov-21 14:48:42

I can hardly believe what I'm reading. Sailors being told to let people drown.

The Royal Yacht Association (RYA) has warned its members against rescuing migrants at sea amid fears they could be prosecuted and jailed for people smuggling.

The RYA has advised sailors to “stand off and report” migrants rather than rescue them in face of draft laws that would prosecute them if they saved asylum seekers from drowning and brought them ashore.

It has joined with MPs in opposing the laws, which also criminalise migrant rescue missions in the Channel by Royal National Lifeboat Institute (RNLI) crews if they bring them to shore.

uk.news.yahoo.com/leave-drowning-migrants-die-face-175734208.html

GrannyGravy13 Fri 26-Nov-21 09:09:17

Mamie

Summed up on Twitter.
"If you tried to write a letter designed to irritate France, this would be it:
1 self-congratulate and take moral high ground
2 make letter public, to enhance 1
3 tell France and EU to do more to patrol a border that the UK left EU in order to regain control over."

Monsieur Macron and Mr Johnson are both posturing, trying to be top dog whilst these unfortunate souls continue to cross one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world.

I truly hope that there are no more deaths, but in all honesty I fear that there will be.

Perhaps the British Embassy in France could step-up and issue some sort of travel waiver and maybe organise coaches.

Something must be done URGENTLY

Mamie Fri 26-Nov-21 09:01:13

Summed up on Twitter.
"If you tried to write a letter designed to irritate France, this would be it:
1 self-congratulate and take moral high ground
2 make letter public, to enhance 1
3 tell France and EU to do more to patrol a border that the UK left EU in order to regain control over."

Urmstongran Fri 26-Nov-21 08:57:03

maddyone

I deleted my Facebook account. It’s a nasty place.

I’ve never had one maddyone.

On a separate note, French ministers say the UK lack of ID cards is contributing to this situation. Aspirational migrants are more able to find work in the black market over here one lady there said yesterday.

Regarding financial payments, we give £39 a week. France gives the equivalent of £40 in euros. Plus €7.40 per day for accommodation. However after 21 days France pays them almost €600 a month in lieu of work.

Josianne Fri 26-Nov-21 08:44:49

Good post Dickens concentrating on the often neglected human aspect. We could indeed be them.

Alegrias1 Fri 26-Nov-21 08:44:13

You can read it in the link I posted to it at 8:32.

Maremia Fri 26-Nov-21 08:40:58

And now we have Johnson's letter, haven't read it yet. Apparently the French are furious, and have uninvited the Home Secretary to an important meeting. So much for Johnson 'doing his best'!

Dickens Fri 26-Nov-21 08:40:08

GillT57

Well going by some of the threads I have been reading on FB tonight, I am ashamed to be British, I really did not realise that there were so many ghastly xenophobic people. All thr usual misinformation and ignorance that some of us have tried to correct on here..........."illegals/smart phones/living in luxury hotels at taxpayers expense/blah blah blah. Why let the truth get in the way of a good racist rant eh?

Yes, it can be a really depressing experience reading comments on Facebook. And not only comments about migrants; read any article that is examining the plight of our own native Brits who're impoverished by low-wages, unemployment, disability or whatever, and you will see the same sneering contempt, sometimes expressed with expletives and, too often, barely literate.

By comparison, Gransnet is quite civilised.

Why is there so much antagonism and hatred towards those who are less fortunate? Is it simply ignorance, lack of education? I don't think it's even down to that - there are those who've not had the benefit of a decent education and are naive but don't have a nasty bone in their body.

It seems like there's some inner rage within certain people, and God (or whoever) only knows where it comes from, or what motivates these individuals.

An accident of birth, good fortune - or the lack of it - is often what separates us. We like to think that our success in life is all down to our own individual effort and though that's true to some extent, external events over which we have little or no control, can change our lives at the drop of a hat.

The migrants in those boats are people, just like us, we could be them, but for the accident of birth.

... they are our problem, Europe's problem, the western world's problem, and the 'problem' is not going to go away. Yet, the largest burden of these displaced people is on those countries near and bordering their own - some of them still regarded as 'developing' countries. This is where 85% of migrants head to and live, in varying degrees of discomfort, in camps. They do not all want to come to the UK as the media would have you believe. Many live in hope that they will one day be able to return to their homeland.

Don't be ashamed to be British, be angry that we have had successive governments that have not been honest about the issue of asylum seekers / refugees / displaced people, but instead have used it as a political football, and keep coming up with knee-jerk solutions and short-term proposals that have, so far, done nothing to solve the crisis.

Josianne Fri 26-Nov-21 08:34:31

No probs MaizieD I always look for that quote box to determine who is meant, but it was missing on this occasion.

Alegrias1 Fri 26-Nov-21 08:32:56

Most of the responses to this disingenuous attempt ingratiate himself with his supporters have cheered me up a bit.

Not everyone is taken in.

mobile.twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1463973204456878080

MaizieD Fri 26-Nov-21 08:32:05

Josianne

MaizieD

The most recent one, Josieanne

Just checking, but you're having a laugh if you are referring to me. Before I come back with my answer is that "most recent one" meaning Kadinsky?

I wasn't going to name names; it often leads to accusations of bullying.

Apologies if you thought it meant you, Josieanne

Iam64 Fri 26-Nov-21 08:31:04

I find the persistent comment that people seeking safe refuge should do so in the first safe country they reach infuriating. How smug to conclude that because we are an island, that people travelling from the war torn Middle East/Afghanistan, can only reach by travelling through other European countries - we don’t need to take anyone. Especially when we take fewer than other countries.

growstuff Fri 26-Nov-21 08:26:40

Kandinsky

GillT57
They do arrive with mobile phones.
They are put up in hotels at tax payers expense
And they don’t need to risk they’re lives coming here to feel safe. They’ve already travelled through 3 or 4 safe countries.
It’s completely unnecessary.
They want to come to the UK because it’s ‘better’ ( their words ) not safer.

The policy about migrants seeking asylum in the first safe country they reached was an EU one. The UK is no longer in the EU or hadn't you heard about Brexit?

Josianne Fri 26-Nov-21 08:23:14

Thank you Alegrias for the explanation. Your second line counts me out of being implicated as obsessed.

Alegrias1 Fri 26-Nov-21 08:19:09

I think it's to do with jealousy and fear.

Hence all the mobile phones and "they might be terrorists" nonsense.

Patel has been disinvited to the talks about the problem because our PM has no idea how to behave in an international crisis.

Josianne Fri 26-Nov-21 08:16:55

MaizieD

The most recent one, Josieanne

Just checking, but you're having a laugh if you are referring to me. Before I come back with my answer is that "most recent one" meaning Kadinsky?

MaizieD Fri 26-Nov-21 08:11:15

Whitewavemark2

Johnson’s use of the term “illegal migrants” in his letter to France, is factually incorrect , legally incorrect and just plain bloody ignorant and embarrassing.

Goes down well with his domestic audience who don't give a toss about facts, legality or the UK's international standing.

They just hate foreigners...

MaizieD Fri 26-Nov-21 08:07:53

The most recent one, Josieanne

Whitewavemark2 Fri 26-Nov-21 08:06:03

Johnson’s use of the term “illegal migrants” in his letter to France, is factually incorrect , legally incorrect and just plain bloody ignorant and embarrassing.

Josianne Fri 26-Nov-21 07:59:19

MaizieD

Josianne

This obsession with mobile phones….they are absolutely vital.
Yes, which is exactly where those observations on this thread started. The refugees access vital information on their phones, as well as communicating with family.

I don't think that the poster obsessed wth mobile phones has bothered to read the thread... Might have learned something about safe countries and international law, too, had they done so.

Which poster MaizieD?

Whitewavemark2 Fri 26-Nov-21 07:58:05

It is the same message as we used to get with people on benefits.

“They are on benefits, but can still afford a television etc”

All the usual nonsense.

MaizieD Fri 26-Nov-21 07:57:38

Josianne

^This obsession with mobile phones….they are absolutely vital.^
Yes, which is exactly where those observations on this thread started. The refugees access vital information on their phones, as well as communicating with family.

I don't think that the poster obsessed wth mobile phones has bothered to read the thread... Might have learned something about safe countries and international law, too, had they done so.

Lucca Fri 26-Nov-21 07:55:36

I honestly don’t know what posters expect them to do without phones in 2021. Write an airmail letter ?? Find a phone box ?

Josianne Fri 26-Nov-21 07:41:06

This obsession with mobile phones….they are absolutely vital.
Yes, which is exactly where those observations on this thread started. The refugees access vital information on their phones, as well as communicating with family.

Mamie Fri 26-Nov-21 07:30:53

There is another (longer) article here from John Lichfield, a journalist who has been covering the Calais migrant crisis for 24 years.
unherd.com/2021/11/the-calais-crisis-cant-be-solved/

His conclusion on who is to blame? We all are.

Lucca Fri 26-Nov-21 07:29:06

Kandinsky

GillT57
They do arrive with mobile phones.
They are put up in hotels at tax payers expense
And they don’t need to risk they’re lives coming here to feel safe. They’ve already travelled through 3 or 4 safe countries.
It’s completely unnecessary.
They want to come to the UK because it’s ‘better’ ( their words ) not safer.

This obsession with mobile phones….they are absolutely vital