Stand off drowning migrants and report – or face prosecution, sailors warned

Would the UK allow EU soldiers or police patrolling their coast? The problem is that these people have to be in England to start the paper for asylum. It is not an EU problem The way to save people’s lives is to give them a safe passage.

The problem is that this is a longstanding, complex problem with no easy solutions. It will not be solved by inflammatory statements or headlines, keyboard warriors or finger-pointing. Diplomacy, co-operation and respect are needed on all sides.
I am not holding my breath.

their lives

GillT57
They do arrive with mobile phones.
They are put up in hotels at tax payers expense
And they don’t need to risk they’re lives coming here to feel safe. They’ve already travelled through 3 or 4 safe countries.
It’s completely unnecessary.
They want to come to the UK because it’s ‘better’ ( their words ) not safer.

The headlines say that Johnson wants a policy of returning the asylum seekers when the get off their boats.

Isn’t that illegal according to international law?

Say an Afghanistan person sets foot on our beaches, who would be so morally bankrupt as to immediately return then to France?

It's rumoured that many of the people who died in the latest incident were Iraqi Kurds. It wasn't that long ago that people were concerned about what was happening to them.

Has anyone wondered if the apparent sudden rise in asylum seekers has anything to do with the devastating pictures we saw on TV a month or two ago in Afghanistan?

Remember how appalled we were at what those poor people were trying to escape from?

Perhaps that helps a bit of understanding?

Repatriation?

NO! who with any sense of decency would do that to a fellow human being?

I deleted my Facebook account. It’s a nasty place.

Urmstongran

Not just Gransnet then?

No. Unbelievable nonsense being stated as if it is true. Rather like when all of GN was told that "illegal immigrants" were paid more than pensioners. It is very depressing.

Not just Gransnet then?

Same here….

Well going by some of the threads I have been reading on FB tonight, I am ashamed to be British, I really did not realise that there were so many ghastly xenophobic people. All thr usual misinformation and ignorance that some of us have tried to correct on here..........."illegals/smart phones/living in luxury hotels at taxpayers expense/blah blah blah. Why let the truth get in the way of a good racist rant eh?

So now Johnson has written a letter to Macron making suggestions. It was said earlier this week, on France Info news, that nobody would believe in any paper Boris signed because he seems to retract on them all and cannot be trusted.

I don’t think Paraic O’Brien was photo shopped when he was standing on the beach with the police car behind him while he (Paraic) was talking to the migrants getting into the boat.
Or when ( at another beach the police told him that they have gone, you’ve missed them

French papers are full of the comments by Brits on social media, and the Covers of the tabloid Press- and explanations of how the photos, taken by journalists from Reuters- about police ignoring boats - have been photoshopped and tell absolute lies. And about Johnson asking Macron to take back all the immigrants who have crossed recently.

It is really whipping up anti-British sentiments, and yes, I know- this will be totally refuted- but in the middle of all the issues with Brexit (yes!) and the UK wanting to renegotiate, and the fishing wars- it is just the last straw re goodwill.

I will not be surprised if all ports are soon blocked. EU members will be fine supplying each other ... the UK on the other hand !

Maremia

Barmeyoldbat, Alegrias 1, Whitewave&Co cheers

Thank you. Some posts lack humanity
The obsession with dismissing “young men with mobile phones” would be funny if it wasn’t so inhuman, I’ll informed and cruel

Barmeyoldbat, Alegrias 1, Whitewave&Co cheers

A poster got flamed earlier today for copying "propaganda" verbatim from the literature of a pressure group.

Can I point out that at least one paragraph of Urmstongran's latest post is a direct quote from the Telegraph, but is not identified as such. The Telegraph of course, is hardly impartial in these matters.

I think people should be transparent when they quote sources which could be considered biased.

Urmstongran

One of the biggest pull factors for migrants is the knowledge that even if their asylum application is rejected, they will spend years in the UK. There are more than 15,000 failed asylum seekers who have been in the UK for at least seven years.

Gerald Darmanin, the French interior minister, on Thursday said the problems were compounded by the ease with which migrants could get work on the black market in the UK, such that, he said, it was billed as “El Dorado England” by the Channel migrant smugglers.

So now you listen to French politicians and take what they say as gospel?

Has it occurred to you that Darmanin is participating in a war of words, just as some British politicians are?

How about making the asylum seeking process in the UK more efficient?

Its very important that everybody realises that these traffickers are not smugglers. Smuggling implies a degree of concealment; the idea that the people coming over in boats disappear into the black market economy and are never seen again.

That is not what is happening.

98% of the people coming across apply for asylum. They come into our system and we know where they are. If they are successful in their claim, they get to stay. If not, they get sent home.

Our Home Office is disastrously inefficient at assessment part of the process, but that is not the fault of the people coming across in boats.

To those still reading...why do we bother?

ALANaV

I wonder WHY the French do not patrol their borders with adjoining countries such as Germany, Spain, Belgium etc etc so that these people do not get INTO FRANCE in the first place .....or am I being cynical !!!! When I lived in France the consensus of opinion was the Italians to mention one country, were giving free train rides into France for any illegals arriving .......so the 'border' at the end of the 'journey' would not be in Italy ......qielle surprise ....genuine refugees shoule have applications appplied for .....why are most of them single men ....and why can they not stay in their 'war ravaged ' countries and help to restore them ..............just asking !

Have you any idea how long France's border is? How many people would be needed to patrol it efficiently?

Do you realise that countries like Eritrea ban people from holding passports and applying to leave the country?

Do you honestly think the Taliban would allow dissidents to leave Afghanistan with their blessing?

These people can't apply for a visa from their country of origin.

Forsythia

Alegrias1

Forsythia

Am I the only person concerned that some of these might be future terrorists or returning ISIS ? Nobody seems to want to mention that possibility. Or are we just meant to suck it up and hope that we don’t get blown up. Not all of them, but possibly some.

The guy who implemented the Glasgow terrorist attack 15 years ago came from Aylesbury. Should I be avoiding everybody born in Aylesbury? Or would that be a complete over-reaction?

Yes I was waiting for your reply. So as you’re the expert on here tell us why what I have said is unlikely and could not be a remote possibility. Given the events outside Liverpool hospital recently.

If terrorists are like the Liverpool bomber, they're not very efficient. Apparently, he was in the UK for 7 years. If I were master minding terrorist attacks, I wouldn't want to wait 7 years.

I have just read through 14 pages of comments and I am appalled at the lack of compassion and ignorance of some on GN. I will only say that I am more than happy to pay my taxes and have them go towards helping these desperate people. What I do object my taxes going towards is the Royal Family, how little it is, and Government expenses.

One of the biggest pull factors for migrants is the knowledge that even if their asylum application is rejected, they will spend years in the UK. There are more than 15,000 failed asylum seekers who have been in the UK for at least seven years.

Gerald Darmanin, the French interior minister, on Thursday said the problems were compounded by the ease with which migrants could get work on the black market in the UK, such that, he said, it was billed as “El Dorado England” by the Channel migrant smugglers.

I wonder WHY the French do not patrol their borders with adjoining countries such as Germany, Spain, Belgium etc etc so that these people do not get INTO FRANCE in the first place .....or am I being cynical !!!! When I lived in France the consensus of opinion was the Italians to mention one country, were giving free train rides into France for any illegals arriving .......so the 'border' at the end of the 'journey' would not be in Italy ......qielle surprise ....genuine refugees shoule have applications appplied for .....why are most of them single men ....and why can they not stay in their 'war ravaged ' countries and help to restore them ..............just asking !