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Relationship between France and UK

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Kali2 Sat 04-Dec-21 10:03:11

From an excellent article by Simon Jenkins, this from a former French Embassador to the UK:

........''Sadly, I feel Brexit has changed all this – and rivalries that were once largely convivial have turned sour and unfriendly.

France has been repeatedly accused of wanting to punish the UK for Brexit. The French position is simply that the decision to leave the European Union has made the UK a ““third country” – not a punishment but a term defined in EU treaties, with many legal and regulatory consequences. The French government and public opinion alike are irritated by what seems like Johnson’s determination to have his cake and eat it.''........

Alegrias1 Sat 04-Dec-21 20:23:53

Urmstongran

Ooh Alegrias an awful lot of coulds in that post. Might? Maybe? Perhaps?

Indeed. Could - just like it could be growth of 4.3% in 2022. When they said in the last release that it could have been 5.2%

Alegrias1 Sat 04-Dec-21 20:25:32

lemongrove

Aleg ....oh, the Mogg! ?He does seem to live in a different timeline.

Maybe.

But his alternative timeline is in the UK.

Urmstongran Sat 04-Dec-21 20:29:25

At least Macron will get one of these.
Boris’ Christmas card, of Dylin the dog playing in the snow on the Downing Street garden.

Urmstongran Sat 04-Dec-21 20:31:18

but I can see its a direct quote from the Express

Wrong, Mystic Meg.
It was the Telegraph.
?

Josianne Sat 04-Dec-21 20:33:26

Oh that's so cute. Is it really the card from.Number 10 this year?

Marmite32 Sat 04-Dec-21 20:36:41

Urmston - you should know a bit about the rel. between UK and Spain. What's the difference, and why don't we hear about it?

Urmstongran Sat 04-Dec-21 20:37:09

Yes it is Josianne ? isn’t it charming?

Urmstongran Sat 04-Dec-21 20:39:10

It’s never been brought up on a thread Marmite. I think most ex-pat retired teachers retire to France.

Kali2 Sat 04-Dec-21 20:41:41

Oh my, your SOH is beyond bounds -
''But now we are out and starting to do stuff, successful vaccination procurement and roll out, free trade deals, AUKUS, pacific tilt, a faster growing economy, far less youth unemployment, companies like Nissan, Unilever & Shell locating to Uk rather than staying in the EU, they cannot hide their reduced stature. ''

Had a lovely evening out and nearly spit my curry.

Alegrias1 Sat 04-Dec-21 20:42:07

Urmstongran

^but I can see its a direct quote from the Express^

Wrong, Mystic Meg.
It was the Telegraph.
?

Well somebody's been copying someone else's homework.

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1528523/city-of-london-news-brexit-exodues-project-fear-financial-services

Kali2 Sat 04-Dec-21 20:44:51

What Trade Deals? The one with Australia which will destryo our farmers. Bravo!

Urmstongran Sat 04-Dec-21 20:47:14

Seems so Alegrias. Good news travels by duplicate it seems.
Wonder who printed first?
Not that it matters.

Calistemon Sat 04-Dec-21 20:53:33

Urmstongran

At least Macron will get one of these.
Boris’ Christmas card, of Dylin the dog playing in the snow on the Downing Street garden.

Love it! So cute.

What a pity I'm not on their Christmas card list.

Petera Sat 04-Dec-21 21:29:32

Alegrias1

Urmstongran

but I can see its a direct quote from the Express

Wrong, Mystic Meg.
It was the Telegraph.
?

Well somebody's been copying someone else's homework.

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1528523/city-of-london-news-brexit-exodues-project-fear-financial-services

Summary:

Things are worse.
But they could have been even worse than that.
Rejoice!

Kali2 Sat 04-Dec-21 21:31:41

lemongrove

Of course the whole world isn’t watching the UK and politics here, am guessing the average person in France is supremely uninterested ( as the average person here is supremely uninterested in French politics.)?

Well, it is all over the news and the papers - not just in France, but all over Europe- so they can hardly avoid it- and the reason why neighbours and friends do mention it to me- as they are concerned for us and realise that we probably will have to cancel our trip to be in UK with family over Christmas, again.

Expats in Spain and all over are reporting how embarrassed they are by seeing this on the News in their country of residence.

Calistemon Sat 04-Dec-21 21:32:05

Things!
Can only get better!

Kali2 Sat 04-Dec-21 21:33:10

Not because of Covid, that is the least of our worries, but because if Johnson continues to clown around- the French will just blockade the Tunnel and the Ports.

Urmstongran Sat 04-Dec-21 21:36:40

I don’t think he will Kali2 surely not? What to gain by looking ever more petulant?

Kali2 Sat 04-Dec-21 21:54:55

Who?

It is not Macron threatening, it is the fishermen and farmers.

Kali2 Sat 04-Dec-21 22:07:58

If they do this- I can't imagine what this winter of discontent will feel like, and shortages of everykind- never mind us having to cancel our trip to be with grandchildren!

Urmstongran Sat 04-Dec-21 22:10:17

Oh I see. I understand now, thank you. Well fingers crossed your fears are unfounded Kali2 and you do get across to see your grandchildren for Christmas. Family means a lot.

Kali2 Sat 04-Dec-21 22:21:19

Thank you.

The Covid + Brexit combo is indeed a nightmare for us. And if ports and Tunnel gets blocked- it will truly be a nightmare for all in the UK.

MerylStreep Sat 04-Dec-21 22:36:11

Kali2
No, it might be a problem for some
But it certainly won’t be a problem for all

Dinahmo Sat 04-Dec-21 23:51:21

Urmstongran

Not looking backwards but forwards. ...

Apparently the OECD's latest GDP growth forecast:
In 2021 the country with the fastest GDP growth will be .... the UK at 6.9%

In 2022 the country with the fastest GDP growth will be ... the UK at 4.7%
Again. “Despite Brexit”. ?

Its almost enough to put a smile on an objective observer's face.

It has to grow at that rate doesn't it? After, it fell further than most EU countries over the last few years.

halfpint1 Sun 05-Dec-21 06:44:24

Yes Kali2, the coverage of the English woes are embarrassing. It's the first time I've ever been embarrassed by the politics of my nationality and I'm trying to get Irish nationality, apparently there is a 2 year back log
Says it all really