Don’t go to work but do go to parties

When are you off to Italy Lucca?
I don’t blame you at all. I am sure you can’t wait! Are you seeing family, friends?
There comes a time when we just have to put our trust in the vaccines, especially the booster, don’t we, yet at the same time being sensible of course.

maddyone

Schools must remain open as far as possible. Think about little Arthur. We cannot expect children to pay the price of lockdown any longer. There will be short closures but we can never close schools for months again.

But children are paying the price, precisely because of attitudes like this. They are being used as an experiment in herd immunity with almost no mitigation by bleating hypocrites. It makes me mad!

Children are not paying the price because of my attitude. They paid the price through a more or less lost school year, and at least one vulnerable child has paid with his life. People who want schools to close make me mad too.

They are being used as an experiment in herd immunity with almost no mitigation by bleating hypocrites.

I think this is a bit of an over reaction growstuff .

An experiment in herd immunity? Bleating hypocrites? Really?

Alegrias1

^They are being used as an experiment in herd immunity with almost no mitigation by bleating hypocrites.^

I think this is a bit of an over reaction growstuff .

An experiment in herd immunity? Bleating hypocrites? Really?

Yes, really.

OK

growstuff

Alegrias1

They are being used as an experiment in herd immunity with almost no mitigation by bleating hypocrites.

I think this is a bit of an over reaction growstuff .

An experiment in herd immunity? Bleating hypocrites? Really?

Yes, really.

I've actually seen that it writing somewhere. Haven't time to look for it now, but I'll find it...

I'm not quite sure what you've seen.

I'm busy at the moment, so I'm not going to write the tirade I could.

JenniferEccles

When are you off to Italy Lucca?
I don’t blame you at all. I am sure you can’t wait! Are you seeing family, friends?
There comes a time when we just have to put our trust in the vaccines, especially the booster, don’t we, yet at the same time being sensible of course.

Thank you ! Staying with friend . Off on 23/12 D.V. !

MerylStreep

Lucca
Not from me. Go and enjoy ?

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I have only 2 priorities here. Firstly to keep the schools open and secondly enable us to see our families this Christmas. Other activities involving people socialising aren’t important.

aonk

I have only 2 priorities here. Firstly to keep the schools open and secondly enable us to see our families this Christmas. Other activities involving people socialising aren’t important.

Yes of course they are important.

Just because the two things you mention are very important, it doesn't mean that the others aren't. I recently met up in a restaurant with some friends who live in the same area as me whom I hadn't seen for 2 years. Is that more important than a child's education? Probably not. Does that make it unimportant? Definitely not.

EllanVannin

Well my Christmas has just been sorted, about 5 minutes ago. All my family are isolating as one GGS has tested positive. I won't be going there for my Christmas dinner nor will I be seeing any GC or GGC-----again, so another Christmas spent alone, although I'm used to that and will have plenty to go at.

I was originally going to give D a hand with preparations but GS will have to now muck in.

I daren't risk it only having had one jab back in January, which caused me mayhem, so I'm hoping perhaps the pill-type " cure " isn't too far away. Up until then I won't be inviting any germs for the sake of one day.

A large Asda delivery for me next week and that'll be that.

They will be fine well before Christmas Ellan so you should be able to see them.It’s only the 9th today.My DGC have it too, but the whole family will be ok to visit by the 25th.

aonk

I have only 2 priorities here. Firstly to keep the schools open and secondly enable us to see our families this Christmas. Other activities involving people socialising aren’t important.

They are important to people who don't have children or families.

I think a look at the bigger picture is needed. The questions which need to be asked include how can transmission rates be reduced for everybody, how can public spaces (including schools) be made safer, how can businesses hit the hardest by restrictions (leisure, hospitality, travel.etc) be supported, how can infected people and those with caring responsibilities be supported if they have to take time off work, how can pressures on the NHS be reduced, so that it can do its job (not just Covid-related), etc etc.

If people have to put up with wearing a mask and reducing their contacts, so be it. I think most people have been remarkably compliant and patient, but they're at breaking point. That's why our leaders need to lead by example.

Schools and universities are important, but keeping them open while pretending they're not infection hubs isn't acceptable and is increasing community transmission, which of course includes the pupils and students themselves. As a minimum, they need to have the air filter systems they were promised and there needs to be more transparency. Currently, parents are being threatened with fines if they don't send their children to school after a number of children in the same class have been tested positive. Pupils are also expected to attend school if a family member tests positive. Keeping schools open (just to make good headlines) shouldn't take priority over keeping children and their families safe.

Why aren't we vaccinating children (like other countries) so that schools can stay open?

EllanVannin, all our plans are 'subject to negative tests' so I don't know, for sure, whether it's a big dinner tomorrow (the only day we're all free) - or dinner for one. Still, some time, maybe next year, things will change.

Hetty58

Why aren't we vaccinating children (like other countries) so that schools can stay open?

EllanVannin, all our plans are 'subject to negative tests' so I don't know, for sure, whether it's a big dinner tomorrow (the only day we're all free) - or dinner for one. Still, some time, maybe next year, things will change.

Good question! Why aren't we?

Yesterday 0-9 year olds made up 15.62% of all cases in England and 30-39 year olds (the probable age of their parents) made up another 17.7% of cases.

The most likely source of those cases - about a third of all cases - is schools.

PS. I know the answer. It's because some very powerful lobbyists have won over the JCVI, some politicians and some sections of the media.

I think we have enough evidence from around the world now so that we could start to vaccinate the 5 - 12 year olds.

I am glad they are carefully weighing up the benefit against risk in young children This is a very new vaccine and I had no problem taking it myself but my young grandchildren the youngest being just 4 the other under 9 I want them to be very sure before administering it
Young children very rarely suffer any ill effects from getting Covid so they really have to weigh up any benefits

I felt much the same as you Rosie but I’m confident now that it is safe to give to children.

Just re-read the thread title - we are a long way away from the original. The point being that it makes NO sense at all to tell people that they can't go to work, but that they can go to pubs, clubs, parties, restaurants, Christmas Parties, and more.

Just a lighter touch Kali they want avoid decimating the economy and having to prop up all these businesses again is not a favourable option
We can't keep starting and stopping business especially as they do not know if Omicron will cause any problems or not
It is also a different directive from last year ie work from home if you can

I wrote my post yesterday in a hasty manner. Of course there are many other important issues apart from keeping schools open and seeing our families. I myself have recently met with 2 friends I haven’t seen for the best part of 2 years and it was such a lovely thing to do.
I have 7 grandchildren and all of them and their parents have been adversely affected by the school closures. It’s not good to see them struggle. Where I live we weren’t allowed to see anyone last Christmas so that’s why I’m prioritising that this year. Of course I’m aware of the other aspects which may be improved to others. I’m also very much in favour of taking all the appropriate precautions to help prevent the spread.

Important not improved

Come the New Year I suspect there will be even more restrictions closely followed by a further lockdown. I hope I am wrong!