Support public health measures or defeat a Tory government what should ban opposition leader do?

It’s sickening to repeat false information.

Iam64

Maurice - your post is plain wrong. No one is trying to shut EV down. Many of us are pointing out she’s spreading incorrect information.

And we pointed it out last year when she was spreading the same false information.

LauraNorderr

Health of the nation versus political point scoring.
Can’t see anyone, of whatever political persuasion, supporting the latter.

Ditto

Back to the thread. Most of the health measures are included in those Keir Starmer has been saying we should do so he can hardly turn round now and vote against them. Instead he can say he was right first.

Maudi

So plenty of misleading posts on the politics forums that go unreported just because it was about the sainted Starmer and didn't suit some posters political agenda they want to shut down the poster. Vindictive in my opinion says a lot about the reporter.

Then please make a point of pointing out any posts that are misleading. We’re all willing to learn from our mistakes. And if a post is particularly vindictive report it so it can be checked out impartially.

No Maudi you are wrong if someone said for example Johnson kicks animals or shoplifts I would challenge that as it's a lie.

Apologies - predictive text struck as I posted to Maudi

Maurice - your post is plain wrong. No one is trying to shut EV down. Many of us are pointing out she’s spreading incorrect information.

Maudi there is a world of difference between gossip and opinions and untruths. Posters should all know the difference.

So plenty of misleading posts on the politics forums that go unreported just because it was about the sainted Starmer and didn't suit some posters political agenda they want to shut down the poster. Vindictive in my opinion says a lot about the reporter.

Ramblingrose22

This link refutes allegations about Starmer and the prosecution of the Rochdale grooming cases.

Deplorable that a few Conservative MPs selected sections of a video or report to deliberately mislead others about Starmer. No wonder some people on here are misinformed.

Sorry I don't know how to add a link on Gransnet but hope it converts to one when I hit Post message".

www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-starmer-grooming-victims-idUSKBN22Q30F

I’m pleased you’re back Ellen V but please stop repeating nonsense about Starmer, Saville and grooming gangs. It’s false fake news.
It also detracts from the serious discussion about how the Labour Party should vote tomorrow.

I can only agree with maizie many posters warned EV that her post was entirely inaccurate - myself included- yet she continued with the gross inaccuracy.

One can only conclude that it was done deliberately to mislead.

Maudi

I think it was spiteful and nasty
reporting the post about Starmer after the campaign on here to get this nice lady reinstated. OK report personal attacks on posters but surely you can discuss and debate posts you don't agree after all are we not adults on here.

I think it was spiteful and nasty of EV to repeat a malicious lie which she had been corrected on many months ago. Lies already refuted should not be revived for discussion.

'Nice lady', my foot!

I think it was spiteful and nasty
reporting the post about Starmer after the campaign on here to get this nice lady reinstated. OK report personal attacks on posters but surely you can discuss and debate posts you don't agree after all are we not adults on here.

fullfact.org/online/keir-starmer-prosecute-jimmy-savile/

www.independent.co.uk/voices/keir-starmer-doctored-video-fake-news-tory-mp-far-right-a9516706.html

Kali2 is correct, there are lots of articles proving that it was false news. I can only paste one per post (probably my inadequate IT skills), but will send more if people want them.

Thank you Maizie, I did not realise this. I do not give much time to political threads

I supported her being reinstated. I am sad that she is again acting in a way that puts her presence on GN at risk.

However, it is unfortunate, but true, that the number of articles refuting these accusations are few and far between, which surprises me and Kali has several times made posts that while accurate in content are often nasty in tone.

M0nica

In every situation all politicians should put the country first, which doesn;t mean that they agree about what is best for the country, but that should be their guiding principle.

Kali your commens to Ellan Vannin were unjustified. Every accusation mentioned by her has been made online and refutations are very thin on the ground, so her remarks are justified, even though not true. I have however, after searching found this reference that looks at the evidence in detail. www.just-debate.co.uk/post/inside-keir-starmer-s-time-at-the-cps

You may have a short memory, Monica, but EV brought this up when Starmer became leader of the LP. It was completely refuted then, but EV has chosen to ignore that and repeat a malicious slander. It is immaterial that it has been repeated online. Once the facts have been made clear to her (as they were previously) she can only be viewed as being deliberately malicious if she continues with the misinformed accusation.

I will report her if she persists.

Who would believe just-debate.co.uk above Reuters or the other reputable news sources who have done full fact checks Monica? I certainly wouldn’t.

so her remarks are justified, even though not true

What a ridiculous statement. How can they be justified if they are not true ?

In every situation all politicians should put the country first, which doesn;t mean that they agree about what is best for the country, but that should be their guiding principle.

Kali your commens to Ellan Vannin were unjustified. Every accusation mentioned by her has been made online and refutations are very thin on the ground, so her remarks are justified, even though not true. I have however, after searching found this reference that looks at the evidence in detail. www.just-debate.co.uk/post/inside-keir-starmer-s-time-at-the-cps

Thank you for this link, Ramblingrose. I hope it will be viewed and clear up the misrepresentation of what Starmer actually said about this issue.

This link refutes allegations about Starmer and the prosecution of the Rochdale grooming cases.

Deplorable that a few Conservative MPs selected sections of a video or report to deliberately mislead others about Starmer. No wonder some people on here are misinformed.

Sorry I don't know how to add a link on Gransnet but hope it converts to one when I hit Post message".

www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-starmer-grooming-victims-idUSKBN22Q30F

MaizieD

Labour are trying to draw attention to the need for more mitigation in schools:

Labour (@UKLabour) has today [Thursday] warned that the Government’s failure to get ventilation measures in place is pushing schools to open windows despite plummeting temperatures and causing energy bills to rocket.

www.fenews.co.uk/education/open-windows-not-an-answer-in-winter-labour-warns-as-governments-ventilation-failure-creates-further-education-disruption

No surprises there then. The government were talking about better ventilation after the last school shut down and providing air filtration units. Well, that went by the board, didn’t it?

Labour are trying to draw attention to the need for more mitigation in schools:

Labour (@UKLabour) has today [Thursday] warned that the Government’s failure to get ventilation measures in place is pushing schools to open windows despite plummeting temperatures and causing energy bills to rocket.

www.fenews.co.uk/education/open-windows-not-an-answer-in-winter-labour-warns-as-governments-ventilation-failure-creates-further-education-disruption