The North Shropshire Byelection *edited by GNHQ*

In other words, most Conservatives stayed home and didn't vote because they couldn't bring themselves to vote for another party. The constituency would still go Conservative in a general election.

Not so.

Electorate about 80,000. Turnout in 2019, 67%, turnout this time, 46%. Reduction of 21% or about 16,000 people.
Tory vote dropped from 35,000 to 12,000, which is more than 16,000 people, it's 23,000 people.

The Tory voters from 2019 didn't just stay at home, they changed their vote.

I dont think that's significant as it was tactical voting.

Galaxy

I dont think it's a lib dem revival, I think its conservative defeat. Different things.

Agree...interesting that the Labour vote didn't bounce back.

Galaxy^I dont think it's a lib dem revival, I think its conservative defeat. Different things^

I totally agree, and I am a Lib Dem supporter. The really significant figure in this byelection is the turnout - 46% .

In other words, most Conservatives stayed home and didn't vote because they couldn't bring themselves to vote for another party. The cosntintuency would still go Conservative in a general election.

The other significant figure is how few people voted for UKIP or its holgram, Reform. I think they polled around 3,000 votes. North Shropshire, may have voted for Brexit, but they are middle of the road Conservatives and remain so.

Labour's poor result and the high abstention rate show that, if it gets a new leader, the Conservative party are still strong throughout the country. But if they want to stay there they need to change their leader. It also shows how far Labour still has to go to regain the ground lost to it by Jeremy Corbyn.

I’m afraid his religious beliefs made it impossible for him to be leader, but I agree about him being a nice bloke. I do like Davey though.

Pity Tim Farron wasn't still leader. I liked that man.

Alegrias1

^It’s not going to make a difference to my area.^

I don't know what area you're in Lincslass, but if a 23,000 majority can be reduced to just 12,000 votes in the truest of true-blue Tory seats, I think every sitting Tory PM must be sweating this morning. Unless you're in one of the 3 seats that would remain Tory.

When we were little, it often used to happen that if things didn't go the way a bad loser wanted them to go, they used to say they hadn't wanted it anyway.

Why be derogatory again, just making an observation, and yes they will be sweating, good maybe they’ll pull their finger out , not sure who will replace Johnson, hopefully not Sunak, another one who doesn’t seem to know what ordinary people need. The Lib Dem’s are a vote against Johnson, do you think I like Johnson just because I voted Tory, did at first, not anymore.

vegansrock

I’m not sure Rishi with his 12 houses and austerity agenda would be a vote winner

I’ve been reading some very unpleasant stuff about Sunak.

I’m not sure Rishi with his 12 houses and austerity agenda would be a vote winner

Can only re-use to left and right a favourite mantra on here:

The Lib Dem’s won. Get over it.

Great result. I used to be a Lib Dem. I don't think they will get anywhere near being in power, but anything which upsets the present tories can only be good.

Kandinsky

*Thanks to all Labour voters who voted for the Lib Dems*

That would be the libdems who sided with the tories in 2010.

Good try, Kandinski, but it's not the same as the party that went into coalition with the tories. That's water under the bridge now. You can never step in the same river twice...

Thanks to all Labour voters who voted for the Lib Dems

That would be the libdems who sided with the tories in 2010.

They’ll bring in Rishi before the next election to guarantee another win.

I can’t see Labour ever winning an election under kier Starmer, he just doesn’t seem that popular at all, which is a shame as there should always be a decent opposition. The libdems haven’t got enough support to win general elections.

Thanks to all Labour voters who voted for the Lib Dems.

A good lesson learned.

Labour were never going to win this rural constituency, they didn’t even under the Blair landslide.

But, great that the LDs won it, it’s about time Johnson is ousted.

And, if reports are correct, there is likely to be a challenge after
Christmas.?

Lib Dems got in easily, thank goodness Labour didn’t win. Tells them both doesn’t it?

It’s not going to make a difference to my area.

I don't know what area you're in Lincslass, but if a 23,000 majority can be reduced to just 12,000 votes in the truest of true-blue Tory seats, I think every sitting Tory PM must be sweating this morning. Unless you're in one of the 3 seats that would remain Tory.

When we were little, it often used to happen that if things didn't go the way a bad loser wanted them to go, they used to say they hadn't wanted it anyway.

I dont think it's a lib dem revival, I think its conservative defeat. Different things.

All very exciting but does anyone else remember Eric Lubbock and the Orpington bi-election, also trumpeted as a Liberal revival?

Alegrias1

Lemons? No, grapes. Sour ones.

Anyway.

Well done the Lib Dems, you must be pleased Susan56. And varian!

No not at all, couldn’t care less to be honest. They’ll not make one iota of difference. Oh of course they’ve given the Tories a bloody nose, don’t really care about that either to be fair. It’s not going to make a difference to my area.

Maudi

Why didn't they use tactical voting and vote the Labour candidate in, Labour came second in the last election. Seems like a vote of no confidence in Starmer to me ?

Huge Tory defeat, 7th biggest swing in history, lost a seat they've held for 200 years.

Oh, yes, its all about Starmer ??

Maudi you need a few Maths lessons. Labour were 12% down in vote share compared with the last election, the Tories were 30% down.

Tactical voting won the day, very well done Lib Dems.

Lemons? No, grapes. Sour ones.

Anyway.

Well done the Lib Dems, you must be pleased Susan56. And varian!

Why didn't they use tactical voting and vote the Labour candidate in, Labour came second in the last election. Seems like a vote of no confidence in Starmer to me ?