Mass migration’ from France to UK occurred 3,000 years ago

Baggs

Wiki confirms what I said (for what it's worth):

^Evolutionary history. According to the gene-culture coevolution hypothesis, the ability to digest lactose into adulthood (lactase persistence) became advantageous to humans after the invention of animal husbandry and the domestication of animal species that could provide a consistent source of milk.^

That's what I wrote @ 13.21.

Dinahmo

www.theguardian.com/science/2021/dec/22/worlds-oldest-family-tree-costwolds-tomb-hazleton-north-long-cairn-dna

interesting article about the remains found in a tomb that is 5,700 years old with a family tree covering 5 generations. One man fathered children with 4 women. A bit like some of the apes when the alpha male impregnates most of the females.

Before (about) 2,500 BC, there was no idea of monogamy. Anthropologists think humans lived in groups of about 30 and bred with others in the group whenever they felt the ... er ... urge.

Germanshepherdsmum

Sacre bleu! My Ancestry DNA test didn’t show any French heritage.

Mine did, but I already knew about a Norman that came to Scotland in the 13th Century.

Maw I expect Priti Patel will be looking at ways to send them back across the channel

What ever the DNA mixand however universal, once communities are cut off from mixing with other groups, they start changing in minor ways to adapt specifically to their environment.

Darwin indicated that species could form by the evolution of one species splitting into two, or via a population diverging from its extant ancestor at a given point.

Thus the population of Britain, all genetically similar to those leaving to our east, could, when immigration slows down, begin to adapt certain genes to the conditions specific to where we live.

Darwins examples were finches living in the Galapagos Ilands, who colonised the islands as one species and then gradually developed 13 different species, all distinctly different as each changed in size colour, beak shape and so on to adjust to the habitat they found themselves living in.

The same presumably applies to people, so those living in Great Britain could become a distinctly different species, different from the original human stock they came from.

People don't adapt their genes. That's Lamarckism. Gene mutations happen randomly and those with the genes best suited to the environment survive and have the opportunity to pass them on to offspring. People living in Great Britain are still the same species as their ancestors and every other human in the world.

In the case of milk, it's likely that dairy products were found to be an easily accessible form of protein. Of course, people didn't know the word "protein", but those with a good protein intake thrived and lived long enough to produce offspring. There is evidence of dairy farming 7,000BC in Anatolia. Weaker members of the society died at a young age and didn't pass on their genes. People with an adequate protein intake would have been stronger than others, so would have been able to win battles. Their populations would have grown, so they would have needed to expand their territory.

Fascinating subject.

growstuff I was sloppy with wording. I totally agree with you and inyended to say what you say. Method is not important. The result is. It leads to the differentiation of groups of birds/animals/humans that originally were the same.

I was pleased to find that my DNA is mainly Scottish and Irish with a touch of West Country, so basically Celtic and I can distance myself from the people who harp on about Brits being Anglo Saxons.

Interesting. The iron age tribe in East Yorkshire was the Parisi, with a culture, burials etc., very close to the Parisii in France. The earliest sea-going craft in Europe was found on the banks of the Humber (Ferriby boat 3). It dates from around 2030 BC. Very much my part of the world as 15 of my 16 great great grandparents were from East Yorkshire.

rubysong

Interesting. The iron age tribe in East Yorkshire was the Parisi, with a culture, burials etc., very close to the Parisii in France. The earliest sea-going craft in Europe was found on the banks of the Humber (Ferriby boat 3). It dates from around 2030 BC. Very much my part of the world as 15 of my 16 great great grandparents were from East Yorkshire.

You'd have to go back much further than great great grandparents to get to 2030BC. Many people in East Yorkshire are descended from Danes and before that Britain was overrun by people who probably came from South East Europe/Asia.

Deedaa

I was pleased to find that my DNA is mainly Scottish and Irish with a touch of West Country, so basically Celtic and I can distance myself from the people who harp on about Brits being Anglo Saxons.

Celts aren't originally Scottish. Originally they came from Central Europe. A modern DNA test will tell you that people with genes similar to yours live in Scotland and Ireland, not where their ancestors came from. Both Scotland and Ireland were settled by Vikings, who left DNA in the populations. The Angles also settled in South East Scotland.

www.ancient-origins.net/news-evolution-human-origins/bronze-age-migrations-0016226?s=09

Celts were all over Europe, be they Gauls or Etruscans, and many more.

This article did make me smile, lol

Brexiteers up in arms following sobering ancestry discovery
Turns out Britain got half its genes from France thanks to "constant movement of trade" and "shared ideologies".

(From the London Economics)

Deedaa

I was pleased to find that my DNA is mainly Scottish and Irish with a touch of West Country, so basically Celtic and I can distance myself from the people who harp on about Brits being Anglo Saxons.

Oh dear. What marvellous things the Anglo Saxons did for Britain. Quite proud of my small amount of their DNA.

What about all the people who crossed from the continent when Doggerland was still above water? It flooded between 6500 and 6200 BCE, cutting Britain off from Europe.

Do you suppose Priti will decide to do DNA tests on everyone and send back those who don't pass????

I always thought the Romans were Italian. It came as a shock to find they came from all over the world and the ones which settled on the southbank of the Tyne came from what is now Iran- they called the fort Arbeia (the place of the Arabs)

Lincslass

Deedaa

I was pleased to find that my DNA is mainly Scottish and Irish with a touch of West Country, so basically Celtic and I can distance myself from the people who harp on about Brits being Anglo Saxons.

Oh dear. What marvellous things the Anglo Saxons did for Britain. Quite proud of my small amount of their DNA.

Those Anglo-Saxons, perhaps they'll be sent back to Europe again.
Along with anyone with anything other than pure neanderthal genes.

Those Anglo-Saxons, perhaps they'll be sent back to Europe again.
Along with anyone with anything other than pure neanderthal genes

Thanks for a good laugh Calistemon

Lots of us may have Neanderthal genes, Dinahmo, I hope my % is enough to be able to stay.

I do know that I'm a mongrel, though.
Or, as a friend says, a Bitzer.

We lived for many years on the Danelaw border- and as you drive around, you can see from the villages' names, which were of Danish origin, and those Saxon/Norman- same for many geographical features. And 2 days ago, we drove up the Fosse Way- still very much the same route as when it was used in Roman Times.

Dinahmo

Those Anglo-Saxons, perhaps they'll be sent back to Europe again.
Along with anyone with anything other than pure neanderthal genes

Thanks for a good laugh Calistemon

Oh sorry, can you not trace yours back as far, wonder where you’d be sent back to. Still love Germany, family there, and Denmark also.

Lincslass

Dinahmo

Those Anglo-Saxons, perhaps they'll be sent back to Europe again.
Along with anyone with anything other than pure neanderthal genes

Thanks for a good laugh Calistemon

Oh sorry, can you not trace yours back as far, wonder where you’d be sent back to. Still love Germany, family there, and Denmark also.

You can have your DNA tested to see how much Neanderthal DNA you have, I believe.
Unless you are of pure African descent.

Some people who put their family trees on Ancestry have traced them back to Adam and Eve ?

Calistemon

Lincslass

Dinahmo

Those Anglo-Saxons, perhaps they'll be sent back to Europe again.
Along with anyone with anything other than pure neanderthal genes

Thanks for a good laugh Calistemon

Oh sorry, can you not trace yours back as far, wonder where you’d be sent back to. Still love Germany, family there, and Denmark also.

You can have your DNA tested to see how much Neanderthal DNA you have, I believe.
Unless you are of pure African descent.

Some people who put their family trees on Ancestry have traced them back to Adam and Eve ?

Yes, exactly, that’s how I know mine?