Wonderful News - No more face masks

Blondiescot oh, excuse me, I thought they were so busy they only had time to go to work and then collapse into bed!!

Germanshepherdsmum FGS! They're all wearing masks in hospitals so why aren't they working!

What do you mean? A patient in a hospital bed isn’t wearing a mask (except perhaps an oxygen one in ICU) so can transmit and catch covid. And it’s already been pointed out to you that NHS staff do have lives outside hospital.

LilacChaser

Blondiescot oh, excuse me, I thought they were so busy they only had time to go to work and then collapse into bed!!

Are you for real? They are exhausted - often almost to the point of collapse - but they still have to travel to and from their work, eat (and therefore shop), maybe take their children to and from school and try to fit in a myriad of other everyday essential tasks.

I hope you never need NHS hospital treatment LilacChaser. You seem to have no respect for the medical staff.

Germanshepherdsmum

What do you mean? A patient in a hospital bed isn’t wearing a mask (except perhaps an oxygen one in ICU) so can transmit and catch covid. And it’s already been pointed out to you that NHS staff do have lives outside hospital.

Yes the patients are wearing masks - at least DH had to.
They are frequently tested for Covid too.

My DD is a nurse and is regularly infected by germs brought home by her son, who attends nursery. No
Covid thankfully but many medical staff have children.

Both my nephews, who are doctors, have caught Covid from their children.
I hope this helps to explain it LilacChaser.

AGAA4

My DD is a nurse and is regularly infected by germs brought home by her son, who attends nursery. No
Covid thankfully but many medical staff have children.

Both my nephews, who are doctors, have caught Covid from their children.
I hope this helps to explain it LilacChaser.

It really shouldn't be allowed, should it (AGAA4*

NHS staff having their own children, they are renowned germ factories.

I wouldn't have got this far without having to go into hospital and have always been treated well there, so yes, I do have respect for medical staff. It was my understanding that they had such busy work lives during the current crisis that they didn't have time for playing sports, socialising, etc (mentioned on the previous page).

I certainly didn't think patients could go in hospital without facemasks - it's bad enough visiting, let alone staying in one. On the odd occasion I've had to visit during the past two years, I've been met with a sea of face masks. So, given that almost everybody who goes in a hospital is wearing a mask, why are hospitals such hot-spots for covid, considering that masks are supposed to be so effective?

Yes, some medical staff obviously catch covid outside the hospital environment, but I'd guess that many more catch it at work. Ergo, face masks are pretty useless.

The argument over face masks is really pointless. Neither those who are in favour of them, whatever version they use, nor those who say they are useless can prove that they do or don’t make a difference.
Even the fact that more lanyard wearers than mask wearers where I work have been off with Covid doesn’t prove they do or don’t work.
I’m wearing a mask. When I’m in for my op (as long as it’s not cancelled) I’m glad the staff will be wearing masks, because I think they do work and no one can prove they don’t.

LilacChaser Fri 21-Jan-22 15:58:16

Yes, some medical staff obviously catch covid outside the hospital environment, but I'd guess that many more catch it at work. Ergo, face masks are pretty useless.

I know, anyone would think that hospitals are full of ill people who are more likely to spread infections.

Or if you want to use the word ergo, this is a pretty classic example of the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy

LilacChaser

MayBeMaw You also seem to ignore the fact that surgeons in particular wear masks to avoid breathing germs or viruses on to their patients and thereby maintaining a sterile atmosphere.

Then why, if all patients are wearing masks, and the doctors, etc are wearing them to prevent breathing germs or viruses on their patients, are all these patients catching covid in hospitals? If their facemask are oh, so effective?

Did you miss my point about viral load.
Do you understand what it means?

this is a pretty classic example of the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy

Hmmm, that's not necessarily the case

And, yes, Mollygo, this argument is getting pointless and boring. I'm glad somebody has agreed you can't prove they do/don't work.

We'll all carry on doing what we're already doing, anyway.

LilacChaser
I'd guess that many more catch it at work

That’s the weak point in your argument. Guesswork and opinions presented as facts.

LilacChaser - do you not think a nurse who has maybe come off a run of several night shifts in a row has maybe earned the right to go for a coffee with a friend (socialising) or maybe play a game of football with friends (sports) to help them wind down?

Blondiescot They were originally your words, not mine.

Grannynannywanny No, I've presented facts all the way through, though they might not be facts you are prepared to listen to.

LilacChaser here you go, is a large scale 34,000 participant study big enough?
www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210907/masks-limit-covid-spread-study

And here’s a review of the evidence.
news.sky.com/story/covid-19-what-does-the-science-actually-say-about-face-masks-12349337

I dont care who thinks the masks work or dont its personal choice and I am going to wear mine until I think it is safe not too.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cloth-masks-useless-omicron-expert-b1980394.html

Did you read the article you attached LilacChaser? If you did you’ll know that it supports the use of face masks, just not cloth ones with no filters? This was the conclusion of the doctor who spoke to CNN.
‘Later on Monday, Dr Wen added to her remarks on Twitter, writing that “my point isn’t that we don’t need masks, but rather that we should require masks that are most effective to prevent disease transmission. Everyone, including children, should be wearing at least a three-ply surgical mask when indoors and around others of unknown vaccination status”.’

Daisymae

Repeated studies have demonstrated that masks reduce the spread. Over 100,000 cases reported today. Where's the science for saying now's a good time to reduce mitigation?

Yes indeed!

I don't believe that masks will 100% protect me but I do believe that they will reduce the possibility that I will receive enough of a viral load to make me sick. So far so good. Best of all they stop people nearby spraying me when they cough or sneeze, and they cut out most of the stinky perfumes so many people seem to bathe in that give me a bad headache. I may carry on wearing them forever.

LilacChaser

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cloth-masks-useless-omicron-expert-b1980394.html

Read the article! That particular "expert" claims that cloth masks don't work.

Sorry, I didn't see your post Casdon.