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Russian massing on the Ukrainian border

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Daisymae Fri 21-Jan-22 10:30:08

So while our government is debating on what constitutes a party, how many parties may have been held a couple of years ago, there's a terrible threat to world peace going on at the edge of Europe. Anybody else noticed?

MaizieD Mon 21-Feb-22 22:51:54

Whitewavemark2

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2 spoof account don’t you think you should have pointed this out in your original post?

Well I honestly didn’t think it was necessary.

It does very clearly call itself 'Laura Kuenssberg Translator', GG13. Does it need pointing out?

Anyway. Putin has apparently sent 'peacekeeping forces' into Donesk and Luhansk in Donbas. hmm

Whitewavemark2 Mon 21-Feb-22 20:23:11

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2 spoof account don’t you think you should have pointed this out in your original post?

Well I honestly didn’t think it was necessary.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 21-Feb-22 20:11:22

I wouldn’t take any spoof/parody account seriously, the clue is in the title of the account…

GrannyGravy13 Mon 21-Feb-22 20:09:54

Whitewavemark2 spoof account don’t you think you should have pointed this out in your original post?

Whitewavemark2 Mon 21-Feb-22 18:08:31

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

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Laura Kuenssberg Translator
@BBCLauraKT
BREAKING: Russia has warned Boris Johnson that if the UK imposes sanctions, it will respond by cancelling all donations to the Tory Party x

This is not on her recent Twitter feed , I went back to 10/02/22.

Have you got a link please

It is a spoof, but clearly so believable as to be taken seriously.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 21-Feb-22 18:03:08

Whitewavemark2

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Laura Kuenssberg Translator
@BBCLauraKT
BREAKING: Russia has warned Boris Johnson that if the UK imposes sanctions, it will respond by cancelling all donations to the Tory Party x

This is not on her recent Twitter feed , I went back to 10/02/22.

Have you got a link please

maddyone Mon 21-Feb-22 18:00:07

I feel so sorry for the Ukrainian people, they must be terrified about the prospect of war.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 21-Feb-22 17:44:49

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Laura Kuenssberg Translator
@BBCLauraKT
BREAKING: Russia has warned Boris Johnson that if the UK imposes sanctions, it will respond by cancelling all donations to the Tory Party x

AGAA4 Mon 21-Feb-22 15:52:16

MayBee70

As if we haven’t been through so much, covid and now the storms. And when I think things can’t get any worse I can’t stop thinking of the poor people in the Ukraine that are probably going to have to fight for their freedom. I can’t imagine how they’re feeling but am in awe of their bravery.

I am in awe of the 78 year old Ukrainian woman who is learning to shoot to defend herself and family. It's hard to imagine having to do that in old age.
The Ukrainians must be living on edge all the time wondering when.

MayBee70 Mon 21-Feb-22 15:03:47

As if we haven’t been through so much, covid and now the storms. And when I think things can’t get any worse I can’t stop thinking of the poor people in the Ukraine that are probably going to have to fight for their freedom. I can’t imagine how they’re feeling but am in awe of their bravery.

Katie59 Mon 21-Feb-22 14:42:08

winterwhite

Quite agree, Maisie but BJ is sounding so aggressive and winding up constantly winding up Joe Biden that I feel worried. Also of course he can't bear playing a bit part yet doesn't want to stand on the sidelines because he doesn't want any return to his domestic problems.

He trying to appear the big democrat, fighting for freedom in Ukraine, while being the dictator at home.

Anything to distract from domestic politics.

winterwhite Mon 21-Feb-22 12:30:28

Quite agree, Maisie but BJ is sounding so aggressive and winding up constantly winding up Joe Biden that I feel worried. Also of course he can't bear playing a bit part yet doesn't want to stand on the sidelines because he doesn't want any return to his domestic problems.

MaizieD Mon 21-Feb-22 12:07:00

winterwhite

Oh fingers crossed, Vegansrock, for more adult behaviour, but I fear that our PM will never back any solution proposed by Macron.
Many thanks for explanations about the Russia report, Whitewave and Maisie. The nation needs to be reminded more loudly of this.

I don't think that our PM's backing is particularly needed for any solution proposed by anybody. The UK is just a bit player. The EU & US are more important.

winterwhite Mon 21-Feb-22 11:22:45

Oh fingers crossed, Vegansrock, for more adult behaviour, but I fear that our PM will never back any solution proposed by Macron.
Many thanks for explanations about the Russia report, Whitewave and Maisie. The nation needs to be reminded more loudly of this.

MaizieD Mon 21-Feb-22 09:17:31

The Russia Report.

Its release was delayed by 9 months (from autumn 2019 to July 2020) to enable Johnson to fight the 2019 GE without being tarred by it.

www.iiss.org/blogs/analysis/2020/07/isc-russia-report-key-points-and-implications

The link is to one of the many analyses of the report. A search will find a pdf copy, but I can't find a link to copy.

Worth reading again in view of what is happening today and Johnson's many Russian connections (and those of his associates)

Whitewavemark2 Mon 21-Feb-22 07:26:57

winterwhite

The so Called “Russia report” was a report produced by our Intelligence and Security Committee.

This was produced in 2019, but Johnson refused to publish it for his own Brexit reasons until July 2020 (I think).

There were recommendations in the report after it was discovered that Russia interfered extensively in the Brexit referendum as well as the Scottish referendum.

The committee said that the U.K. is one of Russia's top targets.

The committee further said that it had been unable to pursue any evidence into the Brexit interference because the government would not authorise it doing so.

The government has also refused to accept and act on the recommendations by the committee.

vegansrock Mon 21-Feb-22 07:04:06

Macron has apparently brokered an agreement for Biden and Putin to hold discussions. Let’s hope for some grown up behaviour.

nanna8 Sun 20-Feb-22 22:18:50

Nothing is straightforward black and white as regards Russia and its former territories. There are a significant number of Russians living in the Ukraine which complicates things quite considerably. Northern Ireland comes to mind for some reason. We have demonstrations by Ukrainians in my country drumming up support. It’s a mess. Johnson and his American buddies don’t really help.

Kali2 Sun 20-Feb-22 22:01:16

So much dirty Russian money- and they probably have enough photos and footage of Johnson at their Russian Oligarch drug fuelled orgies in Umbria.!

winterwhite Sun 20-Feb-22 21:41:42

Whitewave, please could you remind us about the Intelligence & Security Committee on Russian interference? I’ve either forgotten or it was suppressed soo effectively that I didn’t notice it. When was it?

Whitewavemark2 Sun 20-Feb-22 21:39:27

CNN reporting that Putin has sent orders to his commanders to attack Ukraine

GrannyGravy13 Sun 20-Feb-22 16:09:50

Katie59 you are correct, NATO and allied troops are being deployed to neighbouring Countries for humanitarian duties.

Katie59 Sun 20-Feb-22 15:28:22

maddyone

USA troops have arrived in Poland. Just seen it on SkyNews.

The US troops are not going to get involved with any fighting, their role is to help with any refugees that cross the border.
No doubt any intelligence that the US has will get passed on, UK also has a similar aim if any conflict starts.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 20-Feb-22 13:24:27

This needs sorting.

Mirror Politics
@MirrorPolitics
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Jacob Rees-Mogg profits from investments in Russian gas giant and Chinese pharma firm

maddyone Sun 20-Feb-22 10:28:12

USA troops have arrived in Poland. Just seen it on SkyNews.