Two Years of Keir Starmer. What do we think?

This is going round and round trisher. I will bite my lip. All I will say is that I don’t agree with your interpretation of the facts. You want the party to be united because you believe that a left agenda can be pursued. I believe that the left of the party will never be happy with anything other than a left wing agenda, and that is unelectable. I have said many times that I think the party needs to split, and for the left to go down their own route so that a moderate, socialist agenda can be pursued by those who support that agenda - and which is electable. I know you don’t agree, and I don’t see the point in arguing any further as neither of us will be convinced by the other’s perspective.

Casdon

‘People’were not willing to support Starmer trisher, nobody was going to measure up to their hero, and Starmer was not in their top choices for the replacement either. Dissent was there from the beginning.
I agree Iam64. It’s smoke and mirrors.

Of course I was willing to support Starmer Casdon if he had done what he promised to do. But surely even you don't believe he has carried out the necessary investigtion or dealt with the issue of right wing interference which caused delays in dealing with antisemitism? Or that he has actually united the party? He won the leadership in April. He paid out money unnecessarily, and against legal advice, in July. Then my support began to slip away.

trisher

Sorry Whitewave2 how am I "swallowing" anything I'm simply quoting the reasons expressed by those who abandoned Labour in 2019. Nothing to do with what I think.

Oh sorry I misunderstood.

I thought that was also what you thought.

Why would anyone vote for him. He doesn’t do nothing but sit on the fence. He’s repeating everything that scum media print he never has anything to say about what is happening in the real world. So no I’d never vote for him. He’s as exciting has watching paint dry

Sorry Whitewave2 how am I "swallowing" anything I'm simply quoting the reasons expressed by those who abandoned Labour in 2019. Nothing to do with what I think.

trisher

MayBee70

At this moment in time what could possibly be better than an opposition leader who knows the letter of the law inside out? And knows when to keep quiet and let people incriminate themselves.

Well one who won't be regarded by the red wall as a Westminster Centralist Remain leader for a start. You may think he knows when to keep quiet, others might think he just has nothing to say.
He has just effectively proved the Red Wall right the Labour party is a Westminster party and doesn't really care about regional support.

You are swallowing the sort of argument we saw from the leave campaign, Johnson and what we saw by Trump in USA.

MayBee70

At this moment in time what could possibly be better than an opposition leader who knows the letter of the law inside out? And knows when to keep quiet and let people incriminate themselves.

Well one who won't be regarded by the red wall as a Westminster Centralist Remain leader for a start. You may think he knows when to keep quiet, others might think he just has nothing to say.
He has just effectively proved the Red Wall right the Labour party is a Westminster party and doesn't really care about regional support.

I think there is a good argument to see Johnson limp on for some time yet in order to inflict maximum damage on the Tory party.

It is a real balance though.

I like Starmer but I will vote for any Labour leader. I think once we have Labour/LibDem in parliament is the time to think about exactly what sort of policies we want, I think now he is playing ultra safe cos its the media that kills off Labours chances with ridiculous photos of bacon sandwiches etc. I think thats why he has chuckled out JC etc, cos he must leave no opportunity for the papers to attack. Having said that I might vote LibDem next time cos I'm in a Labour safe seat & like north Shropshire, its probably the only way to get the tories out, which is my highest priority

At this moment in time what could possibly be better than an opposition leader who knows the letter of the law inside out? And knows when to keep quiet and let people incriminate themselves.

I don’t think the country would vote for either

Lisa Nandy is good
I’m not impressed by Zarah Sultana

Both of the left wing

I quite like Lisa Nandy. There is Zarah Sultana but she doesn't have experience.

Who trisher ?

So they are in fact imposing the very policies that lost them many seats- Westminster central control. It is impossible to understand who they think they are going to appeal to. You could say Starmer is implementing (if not writing) the longest suicide note in history. The LP needs someone to step forward and return it to a democratic organisation before it is too late.

Whatever

KeirStarmer seizes control of Labour candidate selection. Members are no longer needed

The decision means Westminster will become an exclusive club for right-wing friends of Keir Starmer. He and his cronies will choose who gets to join the club with them.

Local constituency party members will have just one use: to campaign on behalf of the members of the Westminster club, who will enjoy all the rewards but do little of the work.

As someone else has already said, Labour is a movement, not a brand.

Most on NEC voted to give Jeremy the whip back but the few on the right and Starmer didn't.

Funny that as Starmer on video was praising Corbyn and then said the polices of 2017 and build on that.

Whatever.

MayBee70

Since when has a go get attitude and charisma being a criteria for being PM? Isn’t this a recent thing? I don’t remember people discussing if David Cameron had charisma. But I could be wrong.

I think it started with Tony Blair MayBee. That’s when it started, he was presented as a man of the people. When Gordon Brown took over, he was swiftly dispensed with, he lacked the personality to carry it off. He may have been a good PM, who knows, he didn’t stay long. Cameron was chosen as he was seen as a Conservative Tony Blair. Good looking like Blair, and able to talk to the people. When he resigned there was no one really, hence Theresa May got the job, without even a vote. A hard worker with principals like Gordon Brown, but like him lacked the ability to appeal to the population. Then BJ, who said he’d get Brexit done. That’s the primary reason his government was elected but his ability to appeal to the population was the second reason. So in my opinion, it has become’a thing’ since Tony Blair, the man of the people.

The week of Postponed Reports.

Even Martin Forde has lost track of what his inquiry is supposed to discover, I reckon.

Why else would his report – now around 18 months late – still be unfinished?

Originally intended to find out whether allegations in the leaked Labour Party report The work of the Labour Party’s Governance and Legal Unit in relation to antisemitism, 2014-2019 were accurate, Forde was (then? later?) ordered to find out who leaked it (by Labour leader Keir Starmer).

Later still, it was stated that most of the inquiry’s aims had been dropped and it would now focus merely on the “culture” of the Labour Party – whatever that means.

No wonder Mr Forde has just reported to Labour’s National Executive Committee that his report has been delayed yet again – and won’t be available, even in redacted form, in time for the January 25, 2022 NEC meeting:

The Equality and Human Rights Commission found that Labour was not institutionally anti-Semitic, in autumn 2020, it reported a factional, right-wing culture of delay in handling complaints, in order to cast false blame on the party leader, Jeremy Corbyn.

So the allegations in the leaked report have been proved by the EHRC. Haven’t they?

But that's not what Starmer wants to hear.

Dare we hope that the reality of the ‘charismatic/entertaining/lovable bluffer’ Mr Johnson, can knock on the head the suggestion Keir Starmer is too boring to be PM

Since when has a go get attitude and charisma being a criteria for being PM? Isn’t this a recent thing? I don’t remember people discussing if David Cameron had charisma. But I could be wrong.

I think Starmer is a principled man. He is essentially, I think, a good man. However he lacks the ‘go get’ attitude and charisma needed to persuade the electorate to vote for him. That’s just my opinion and I may very well be wrong. Obviously time will eventually tell.

Thank you Casdon appreciated.

This paper may be of interest to those disputing LP membership numbers and also funds.

blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/explaining-the-pro-corbyn-surge-in-labours-membership/