A special fund to fight the Tories???

Yes I feel the same as you Maddyone. I don’t support any particular party. I do prefer to read different newspapers etc and like to make up my own mind rather than be influenced by one party. I suppose I’m what you call ‘a floating voter’. That’s the reason I would never donate to a political party.

I donated yesterday. I want Labour to win. I'm fed up with the country being run by rich and very rich people who have absolutely no idea how most people live and work. For example - at least 2 former hedge fund managers (the sort who did well out of the bank bailouts after the 2008 crash) who have little or no experience or running the type and size of business that the UK used to thrive upon. And hopefully will again.

Just remember that you can fight the Tories by supporting other parties.

As long as we have to elect MPs by the undemocratic FPTP electoral system, you must look at the past election results in your constituency.

Vote for the candidate most likely to beat the Tory candidate.

In many constituencies that will be the Liberal Democrat candidate .

In others it might be the Labour Party, the Green Party, the SNP or Plaid Cymru.

Just use your vote tactically to get rid of the corrupt, incompetent Tories.

Maudi, you’re commitment to Mr Johnson knows no bounds. Your comments about Angela Raynor say a great deal about you, none of it complementary.
Angela Raynor grew up in a deprived area, her mother had mental health problems. Like many daughters in that situation, her carer responsibilities got in the way of her education.
She had her first child when many were doing gcse/a levels. Thankfully, she took full advantage of the Family Centres Blair’s government supported. She got work, joined her union, committed to further education and now she’s deputy leader of the Labour Party. Well done Angela Raynor.
Yvette Cooper is a great MP, honest, hard working and she has integrity.
David Lammy has spoken about racism. He’s black. Is that what you mean about ‘a chip on his shoulder’?

I hope Starmer and the Labour Party can bring down Johnson. You omit to mention that Starmer and the party supported Johnson when his plans for the pandemic were in the best interests of our country

Maudi

Labour what do they stand for, what are their policies, who knows. All we hear every week at pmqs is partygate as if trying to bring down Boris will boost them in the polls. I can't stand gobby Rayner I think she comes over as uneducated who would want her as deputy PM not me for sure. I don't like Evette Cooper she tried to stop Brexit happening and as for David Lammy he with the almighty chip on his shoulder well Starmer has not got a good team behind him and in my opinion comes over as very wooden and uninspiring.

Do you have a problem with people from poor families wanting to become MP’s and make this country a better place?It has taken far more intelligence and determination for someone like Angela to reach the level in government that she has. She has far more integrity in her little finger than the PM of this country has in his whole body. Should we just be government by people whose parents can afford to send them to public school?

Maudi

Labour what do they stand for, what are their policies, who knows. All we hear every week at pmqs is partygate as if trying to bring down Boris will boost them in the polls. I can't stand gobby Rayner I think she comes over as uneducated who would want her as deputy PM not me for sure. I don't like Evette Cooper she tried to stop Brexit happening and as for David Lammy he with the almighty chip on his shoulder well Starmer has not got a good team behind him and in my opinion comes over as very wooden and uninspiring.

I suppose you like Sunak, Javid, Patel, Truss and the rest of the Tory cabinet. Good for you.

Far left, and Left of Centre. - Right of Centre and Far Right of
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Grany

Well I don't know why KS got rid of Jews or anyone else who supports Palestine he's had to pay back people taking Labour to court for unfairly ejected. He paid off all thoses who were working against a labour victory, no sign of the completed unredacted Forde Report yet. About 200,000 people have left. I only became a member of Labour Party when Corbyn was leader like many thousands of others. drawn to the party because of hope, many taking an active interest in politics for the first time. Jeremy left the party with 13 million in the kitty mainly through ordinary people paying their membership money. Now labour has to pay out again because of members data breach, lots are suing the party. At KS leadership election he wouldn't admit who any of the big donors were who funding him, so he'll have to rely on more of the same.

I will probably vote labour again as I always have but who knows where KS is taking the party will have to see what unfolds in the future.

The left are real snowflakes it seems to me.

Moan, moan, moan.

There is a tried and tested way to influence policy in the Labour Party by its members. Unlike Tory party members who have no recourse to party policy.

Use your abilities to influence policy as you see fit by conference, local constituencies etc.

Stop moaning and become active!

So now the left are snowflakes. Honestly are we just supposed to swallow the mismanagement of funds and membership. As for "get active" some of the best and most active members of the LP have been thrown out either because they spoke out about Palestine or Corbyn, or because they were members of proscribed organisations. It seems that the right of the party are intent on destroying it and blaming others. This isn't a party where you can speak out any longer. If it doesn't crumble now it will probably do so at the next general election.
Which, by the way, none of these "centrist" supporters have ever said exactly how Starmer will win. Which voters do they think he will attract and which seats will turn? Because I can't see him getting the Red Wall back, nor can I see him winning. any Tory seats. I suppose he might (because people are desperate) create a resurgence of the Liberal Party, but win for Labour? Well convince me. And try doing it without condemning the left who see the reality of the situation.

EllanVannin

How about a " special fund " for retirees ? In over 20 years the state pension has been abysmal !!

So long as we have a libertarian, free-market, small-state government, the pension rate will only crawl upward.

You get what you vote for. And if you (collectively, not you personally) vote for a government that believes in what is loosely termed "individual responsibility" then public spending is only a priority in terms of how much of it can be cut.

Maudi

Labour what do they stand for, what are their policies, who knows. All we hear every week at pmqs is partygate as if trying to bring down Boris will boost them in the polls. I can't stand gobby Rayner I think she comes over as uneducated who would want her as deputy PM not me for sure. I don't like Evette Cooper she tried to stop Brexit happening and as for David Lammy he with the almighty chip on his shoulder well Starmer has not got a good team behind him and in my opinion comes over as very wooden and uninspiring.

You're not likely to know because you're not in the slightest bit interested, are you Maudi? More bothered about your personal likes and dislikes of individuals than finding out what Labour's policies are.

So sad that politics is reduced to a personality contest.

As for Starmer being 'wooden', you clearly didn't watch his speech about 'partygate' on Monday. Dripping with barely contained anger and contempt. Expressing the feelings of a great many people, I think.

Anniebach

How many voters give thought to 1945

... probably very few.

But I was highlighting the point that it was a "political party", not a charity, that gave us the NHS.

Rayner is deputy leader not by choice of Starmer

Labour what do they stand for, what are their policies, who knows. All we hear every week at pmqs is partygate as if trying to bring down Boris will boost them in the polls. I can't stand gobby Rayner I think she comes over as uneducated who would want her as deputy PM not me for sure. I don't like Evette Cooper she tried to stop Brexit happening and as for David Lammy he with the almighty chip on his shoulder well Starmer has not got a good team behind him and in my opinion comes over as very wooden and uninspiring.

I hadn't really considered donating but I think that I will do now. I agree that a lot of small donations can have an impact.

Grany

Well I don't know why KS got rid of Jews or anyone else who supports Palestine he's had to pay back people taking Labour to court for unfairly ejected. He paid off all thoses who were working against a labour victory, no sign of the completed unredacted Forde Report yet. About 200,000 people have left. I only became a member of Labour Party when Corbyn was leader like many thousands of others. drawn to the party because of hope, many taking an active interest in politics for the first time. Jeremy left the party with 13 million in the kitty mainly through ordinary people paying their membership money. Now labour has to pay out again because of members data breach, lots are suing the party. At KS leadership election he wouldn't admit who any of the big donors were who funding him, so he'll have to rely on more of the same.

I will probably vote labour again as I always have but who knows where KS is taking the party will have to see what unfolds in the future.

The left are real snowflakes it seems to me.

Moan, moan, moan.

There is a tried and tested way to influence policy in the Labour Party by its members. Unlike Tory party members who have no recourse to party policy.

Use your abilities to influence policy as you see fit by conference, local constituencies etc.

Stop moaning and become active!

Gwyneth

I would never give money to a political party much prefer to donate to charity.

So would I Gwyneth, but I’m not an overly political person. People who donate to political parties, any party, have a very strong interest in politics and are passionate about the party they support. I have views, as I’m sure you do too Gwyneth, but I have no passion about politics. I’ve voted for all three of the major parties in the past.

Sorry EllanVannin I was referring to grany’s post

The above post explains why the tories will win the next general election and why the Labour Party had the worse defeat at the last election since 1935

How about a " special fund " for retirees ? In over 20 years the state pension has been abysmal !!

Well I don't know why KS got rid of Jews or anyone else who supports Palestine he's had to pay back people taking Labour to court for unfairly ejected. He paid off all thoses who were working against a labour victory, no sign of the completed unredacted Forde Report yet. About 200,000 people have left. I only became a member of Labour Party when Corbyn was leader like many thousands of others. drawn to the party because of hope, many taking an active interest in politics for the first time. Jeremy left the party with 13 million in the kitty mainly through ordinary people paying their membership money. Now labour has to pay out again because of members data breach, lots are suing the party. At KS leadership election he wouldn't admit who any of the big donors were who funding him, so he'll have to rely on more of the same.

I will probably vote labour again as I always have but who knows where KS is taking the party will have to see what unfolds in the future.

How many voters give thought to 1945

Yes this isn’t unusual for the Labour Party to request a bit of cash from its members. I have been a Labour Party member practically since birth (exaggeration!,) and they have always been a bit strapped.

Gwyneth

I would never give money to a political party much prefer to donate to charity.

... even if it were one like the post-war Labour party - you know, the one that comprised of a minister who was the main architect of the establishment of our National Health Service?

The NHS has probably prevented millions of people from needing to beg from charitable institutions to cover their otherwise unaffordable medical bills.

I would never give money to a political party much prefer to donate to charity.

Another vote for Lisa Nandy here. I like her very much.