Official tonight 'Brexit is NOT done'

Lets just look at the facts.

All European countries have had their economic growth affected by the pandemic. But some have done better that others.

alexika.com/blog/2019/11/21/fastest-growing-european-countries-2020-2024

I watched PMQs today and almost choked on my lunch.

Tory MP Natalie Elphicke tells Boris Johnson the EU's "unnecessary red tape" is causing long queues at Britain's busiest port
bloom.bg/3GCxBZd #PMQs

Typical of the EU to make life difficult for us. But fear not because we are the strongest growing economy in the G7 (the PM likes to believe this and reminds us every time he opens his mouth) and we shall prosper mightily.

Whitewavemark2

Parliamentary committee has reported that the only thing Brexit has delivered is more red tape, higher costs, reduced business and disruption.

There are no benefits from Brexit.

Clearly Johnson is trying to mitigate this report by employing
Smogg to squirrel away and try to find some benefits.

Well I have news for him

There are NONE

...and it might be worth adding that it's a cross party committee which includes such relentless remainers as Mark Francois.

Parliamentary committee has reported that the only thing Brexit has delivered is more red tape, higher costs, reduced business and disruption.

There are no benefits from Brexit.

Clearly Johnson is trying to mitigate this report by employing
Smogg to squirrel away and try to find some benefits.

Well I have news for him

There are NONE

fb.watch/b2uK12Mg9S/

GrannyRose15

MaizieD

We're talking about the border checks aren't we?

If Sainsburys don't send any stock to NI what border checks are they subject to, GrannyRose15?

They do send goods to NI.They don't send any to the Irish republic.

You didn't reaad my post earlier, did you, GrannyRose15?

Anybody could 'say' that they're only sending goods to NI. There would be nothing to stop them moving them on through the republic and re-exporting them to the EU. because there is no border between NI and the republic. There can't be any exceptions made for any business or person. There is no technology extant that could differentiate between NI only goods and EU destination goods. There is nothing that can solve the problem.

The border in the Irish sea is the border between the EU and the UK. That's how Johnson and co.negotiated it.

MaizieD

We're talking about the border checks aren't we?

If Sainsburys don't send any stock to NI what border checks are they subject to, GrannyRose15?

They do send goods to NI.They don't send any to the Irish republic.

We're talking about the border checks aren't we?

If Sainsburys don't send any stock to NI what border checks are they subject to, GrannyRose15?

"Well, either I'm being naive or you are GrannyRose15 but if goods supposedly destined for NI are not subject to checks that they conform to EU regulations how do you guarantee that they are not, in fact, being passed on to the republic for export to the EU?"

Sainsbury's are supposed to carry out all the checks - they don't even have any stores in the republic. How is that helping anyone?

growstuff

The bully here is Poots and the DUP.

Correct

The bully here is Poots and the DUP.

GrannyRose15

The protocol was supposed to govern the way goods going through NI to the republic were treated. The EU is making life difficult because it is insisting on the same treatment for goods going from GB to NI but not going on to the republic. This was never supposed to be the case. It is political bullying by the EU.

This is from NI's official government site:

"The EU's rules on customs and regulation of agri-food products will continue to apply to goods arriving in NI."

www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/eu-exit-and-northern-ireland-protocol

It has always been part of the Protocol that certain products arriving in NI from the rest of the UK would be checked, even those not not destined for the RoI.

It is not political bullying by the EU, which is expecting adherence to a signed agreement.

Browsing for chrysanthemum cuttings on chrysanthemum direct, I noticed a warning that

“*We can no longer supply outside of GB due to the extra costs and paperwork imposed by Brexit*.

That loss of business all reduces the GDP.

Shizam

Sadly not too much care or thought about Northern Ireland within the rest of uk. Went to see Belfast with an adult offspring. He knew nothing about history of the troubles. Not taught in schools in mainland. If all of that had been kicking off in Home Counties, everyone would know about it!

Well, all those more elderly people who voted to leave the EU should have known about 'The Troubles' and the GFA; we did live through it, after all.

(Though one or two posts on this thread have made me wonder if it actually made any impression on some at the time ? )

GrannyRose15

The protocol was supposed to govern the way goods going through NI to the republic were treated. The EU is making life difficult because it is insisting on the same treatment for goods going from GB to NI but not going on to the republic. This was never supposed to be the case. It is political bullying by the EU.

Well, either I'm being naive or you are GrannyRose15 but if goods supposedly destined for NI are not subject to checks that they conform to EU regulations how do you guarantee that they are not, in fact, being passed on to the republic for export to the EU?

It doesn't seem to me to be at all like political bullying by the EU but an attempt by them to preserve the integrity of the Single Market.

(See Kali2's post at 20.590

Absolutely not. Once the goods are in NI, what is to guarantee they won't find their way to the EU?

Especially now as husbandry and other environmental EU rules are being watered down to export to OZ and USA, and make production cheaper (but so much more dangerous). The EU has every right to insist there is a border, somewhere.

CJD has not gone away- and now antibiotics and other drugs will be allowed on a general basis. The EU does not want cheap, poor quality, dangerous goods. Quite rightly.

The protocol was supposed to govern the way goods going through NI to the republic were treated. The EU is making life difficult because it is insisting on the same treatment for goods going from GB to NI but not going on to the republic. This was never supposed to be the case. It is political bullying by the EU.

Sadly not too much care or thought about Northern Ireland within the rest of uk. Went to see Belfast with an adult offspring. He knew nothing about history of the troubles. Not taught in schools in mainland. If all of that had been kicking off in Home Counties, everyone would know about it!

The only sensible and non sectarian political party in Northern Ireland is the Alliance Party, which is steadily gaining support.

www.allianceparty.org/

Racingsparrowif you go on Wikipedia and put in The Northern Ireland Assembly that will give you an insight into the so called workings of our Northern Ireland government, although there's probably not much work being done at the minute, play pens should be installed for them all.

I remember reading an article about beef farming on the Irish border. The cattle cross the border numerous times in their life time and the farmers have operated like that for years. Now they would have to fill in a form every time they take their cattle over the border to feed, which would be ridiculous. There was another case where a person's journey to work crossed over the border multiple times. When they were in the EU, it was no problem. These people's lives have been disrupted - just as the Berlin Wall did in 1961. Not only that, but some people in NI would rather be Irish anyway. I can't believe that people have forgotten everything - or didn't understand the issues in the first place.

Interesting development in NI. Seen on twitter:

Sam McBride
@SJAMcBride

Belfast High Court has just granted an interim injunction freezing DUP minister Edwin Poots' instruction to his officials (which they hadn't followed anyway) to stop Irish Sea border SPS checks. Mr Justice Colton's order is temporary until the case is heard in full.

Unbelievable!

Of courseit always made sense to remain in Customs Union and Single Market. I remember most of them saying it would be the case. Does anyone remember Hannan saying clearly during the campaign 'no-one but no-one is evern thinking of coming out of SM and CU'- and Frost saying the same when representing the Malt Distillers, and so many more.

But that meant (remember probably all the discussions about 'cake and eat it' not being available)- Free Movement. You can't that CU and SM without FMOP. And the arch-Brexiters didn't want this, because we all know that for a vast majority, stopping foreigners coming to work in UK was a major factor in their decision (which so many vehemently deny, but there you go).

Racingsparrow

Why is the border not then across Ireland. The EU happily shares borders with non EU countries with the customs at those borders. It could be that there has never been a fixed border and the Irish do not want to construct one. I can not understand why anyone thinks that allowing a foreign government to set rules and laws in part of your country is right, it would never happen in any other country in the world.

The people who live in Northern Ireland aren't ruled by a foreign government. The vast majority voted for the Good Friday Agreement (apart from the DUP) and to remain in the EU. The GFA was a compromise. Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland remained separate countries, but the EU allowed for a seamless border. Many people in NI already have dual citizenship and Irish citizens have the right to settle in the UK. Therefore, many people have freedom of movement, but the goods they want to trade wouldn't, if it weren't for the Protocol. Many people on the border rely on seamless trade. Many of them would also be happy to re-unite Ireland (apart from the DUP, of course). The NI/Irish border is not like any other border with the EU. There's history and feelings are strong. Being part of the EU allowed a compromise agreement (the Good Friday Agreement) to operate. Old tensions are re-surfacing.

Racingsparrow

Why is the border not then across Ireland. The EU happily shares borders with non EU countries with the customs at those borders. It could be that there has never been a fixed border and the Irish do not want to construct one. I can not understand why anyone thinks that allowing a foreign government to set rules and laws in part of your country is right, it would never happen in any other country in the world.

Oh, bloody hell, not another one?

Perhaps you don't remember 30 awful years of 'The Troubles'?

Take growstuff's advice and research the Good Friday Agreement.