Official tonight 'Brexit is NOT done'

Racingsparrow

Why is the border not then across Ireland. The EU happily shares borders with non EU countries with the customs at those borders. It could be that there has never been a fixed border and the Irish do not want to construct one. I can not understand why anyone thinks that allowing a foreign government to set rules and laws in part of your country is right, it would never happen in any other country in the world.

Don't you know anything about the history of Ireland?

growstuff

Whitewavemark2

There is a solution, of course there is.

Rejoin the single market and customs union.

Job done.

Errrmmm ... yes ... but we're supposed to be getting over all that!

(PS. Of course it's the most obvious solution!)

It is the grown up thing to do, but in the absence of any adult behaviour, I suspect that the EU may well agree that some goods can bypass the customs check, but by no means all.

PS. "Doris" isn't a mis-print.

Yet another brilliant consequence of Brexit as negotiated by Boris's team. The UK signed up to the protocol and it's up to the UK to sort the problem, not the EU. Brexit us a rolling disaster for our country and we will be paying for the consequences for many years. It was a Boris scam to get him the top job which he is trying to hang on to.

Sorry but I've lost all patience the way things have worked out----or not. I knew the minute that Doris came on the scene with his Brexit vote that it was an underhanded move on his part and that things would go t*ts-up because he never thought any of it out at all.
He got in under false pretences and it so annoyed me at the time, I was hopping mad because nobody would envisage the disaster he'd create. I could plainly see what was coming and he was totally wrong to make the promises he made. The public were like lambs to the slaughter.

I'm certainly not delighted the way things have turned out but I'd like to tell the man to his face that " I told you so !"

Why is the border not then across Ireland. The EU happily shares borders with non EU countries with the customs at those borders. It could be that there has never been a fixed border and the Irish do not want to construct one. I can not understand why anyone thinks that allowing a foreign government to set rules and laws in part of your country is right, it would never happen in any other country in the world.

Whitewavemark2

There is a solution, of course there is.

Rejoin the single market and customs union.

Job done.

Errrmmm ... yes ... but we're supposed to be getting over all that!

(PS. Of course it's the most obvious solution!)

grandtanteJE65

Larsonsmum

Not sure everyone is appreciating the potentially far reaching long-term implications of this for NI. Everything could escalate dreadfully if Stormont folds - respected commentators saying there could be a return of 'The Troubles'.

Some people probably aren't; others envisulized them when Brexit was in the offing.

It stands to reason that there has to be a border between EU and Britain somewhere.

The obvious place was the Irish border to N. Ireland, but that was deemed likely to cause trouble.

If anyone on here has an idea why the border between EU and Britain should have anything at all to do with "the Troubles", please do enlighten me, as I fail to see the connection.

You really need to do some research on the Good Friday Agreement, if you don't get it. Sorry, but I don't have time to write a book.

It's inevitable that any border on the island of Ireland will cause trouble.

Larsonsmum

Not sure everyone is appreciating the potentially far reaching long-term implications of this for NI. Everything could escalate dreadfully if Stormont folds - respected commentators saying there could be a return of 'The Troubles'.

Some people probably aren't; others envisulized them when Brexit was in the offing.

It stands to reason that there has to be a border between EU and Britain somewhere.

The obvious place was the Irish border to N. Ireland, but that was deemed likely to cause trouble.

If anyone on here has an idea why the border between EU and Britain should have anything at all to do with "the Troubles", please do enlighten me, as I fail to see the connection.

There is a solution, of course there is.

Rejoin the single market and customs union.

Job done.

Never a wise thing to poke a sleeping Irishman/woman!! Good luck trying to tell them what to do mamby Pamby EU.......

Nezumi65

Saying the deal was to punish the U.K. (is that the oven ready works beating best deal ever?) just shows a complete ignorance of the GFA and the history of NI.

Hard Brexit was always incompatible with the GFA and always risked leading to destabilisation. It’s one of the main reasons I was completely anti it.

Same here! Nobody could come up with a solution and they still can't because there isn't one.

Alliance is a progressive, internationalist and pro-European party which recognises that in this modern, globalised world we face many transnational challenges from climate change to the regulation of the internet, and we are stronger through co-operation and pooling our sovereignty. The European Union allows us to face those challenges together.

People in Northern Ireland recognise the huge benefits of EU membership, which is why the majority voted to remain.

Alliance is standing up for Northern Ireland and advocating for the best interests of the people of this region, through maintaining political stability, defending the Good Friday Agreement, retaining open borders throughout these islands, protecting our economy and enabling future opportunities.

Northern Ireland only works based on sharing and interdependence, yet Brexit entails new divisions, barriers and friction. Brexit exposes contradictions and ambiguities that are otherwise being managed through the Good Friday Agreement.

Any form of Brexit poses significant problems for Northern Ireland.

Our economy depends on sales and supply chains across these islands. Brexit undermines people’s ability to enjoy current rights as EU citizens. Brexit brings problems for security and other forms of inter- governmental co-operation.

This is why there is no such thing as a good or sensible Brexit – it is an act of huge self-sabotage

www.allianceparty.org/brexit

Bloody Brexit. That is all I have to say on the matter.

Exactly.

Saying the deal was to punish the U.K. (is that the oven ready works beating best deal ever?) just shows a complete ignorance of the GFA and the history of NI.

Hard Brexit was always incompatible with the GFA and always risked leading to destabilisation. It’s one of the main reasons I was completely anti it.

Alioop

All I can say is try living here. There is so much uncertainty here with our idiotic government pulling out of Stormont when EACH side spits their dummy out and not really thinking of the people they are supposed to be looking out for. They all still get paid for doing sod all but sniping at each other and they need to get back to Stormont and work for their wages. A lot of us here are just weary of it all, new bills will not get passed, worrying if the Troubles starting up again, hospitals in a mess, etc. I really don't know how this will ever get sorted and it makes me so sad today.

A friend in NI feels much the same as you do. I think many of us really do sympathise, but have no idea how it can be sorted. It seems as though any good the GFA did has been destroyed.

Shame the Stormont fall out doesn’t mean Ministers have to go home on half pay Alioop! That might focus minds. This must be awful for you citizens over there. No wonder you are sad. It’s a right mess.

All I can say is try living here. There is so much uncertainty here with our idiotic government pulling out of Stormont when EACH side spits their dummy out and not really thinking of the people they are supposed to be looking out for. They all still get paid for doing sod all but sniping at each other and they need to get back to Stormont and work for their wages. A lot of us here are just weary of it all, new bills will not get passed, worrying if the Troubles starting up again, hospitals in a mess, etc. I really don't know how this will ever get sorted and it makes me so sad today.

That was always very clear, and every experts with vast knowledge and experience warned very very clearly that was the case. Johnson, Frost, the DUP, they were all FULLY AWARE.

We have 2 facts of life that are not going to change the GFA and the NI Protocol, a border within Ireland is unthinkable. The EU are not going to change their minds and if any attempt to change the GFA would cause serious problems with US

The DUP have failed to represent the people of Northern Ireland who voted overwhelmingly to Remain in the EU.

They propped up a minority Tory government to push for brexit and now complain that they don't like the brexit protocol which they supported.

The UK,, and NI, have so much to lose in all this, The EU can just shrug it off- and continue to happily supply each other as they have such varied climates and specialities and skillsets. It will of course be a pain to lose the UK market - but they will probybly compensate x 100000000 from the USA.

MerylStreep

Listening to his speech he lays the blame at Brussels and dublins door.

Yes he would wouldn’t he. That attitude will get him nowhere.

Listening to his speech he lays the blame at Brussels and dublins door.