Settling out of court is an admission of guilt

A worthy charity? All of it?

It is not an admission of guilt. It's an admission that PA wants to be rid of the publicity asap. Thank goodness the money is coming from himself and the Queen. And thank goodness it's going to a worthy charity so all's well that ends well.

Andrew isn't the brightest lamp on the block. I am quite sure he is sure he didn't rape her because she never complained or said no. The fact that she had no choice in the matter wouldn't have occurred to him.
Paying things off is the American Way. So no surprise there

Windsor has said that he is going “to involve himself in sex trafficking charities”

Can’t believe that he’d be very welcome.

I think he will hav paid up "without prejudice" , a legal term for not admitting anything.

Just imagine if he was the first-born - King Andrew anyone?
Good argument for the abolition of the monarchy.

Anniebach

There has been no harm to the reputation of his family

I have to disagree with that. Everyone who has spoken to me on the subject now wants an end to the monarchy when the queen goes.

Charles and William have told Andrew to settle in order to protect the Queen’s jubilee. The Queen and Charles will pay if Andrew has insufficient money after the sale of his ski chalet.

Grany

Ohhhhhh the grand old Duke of York
He borrowed 12 million quid
He gave it out to someone he never ever met
And for something he never did.

There are large Qs outside Buckingham palace
As they say Andrew is giving out money to people he never met.

That's quite an amusing joke about the queues at Buckingham Palace, Grany

didn't he say he was at pizza express?

Ohhhhhh the grand old Duke of York
He borrowed 12 million quid
He gave it out to someone he never ever met
And for something he never did.

There are large Qs outside Buckingham palace
As they say Andrew is giving out money to people he never met.

Should have inserted VG there, oops.

So on it goes. AW has a personal wealth, has also sold his Swiss chalet. The Queen has a personal wealth, although not sure she would come to the rescue in this case. No doubt she was abused by the two main characters, but do wonder why she didn’t chase those other wealthy Americans also named. The fact her husband was going to be questioned by lawyers for AW, the lost photograph. Do wonder why she gave in when she denied she would. Do hope there are reputable accountants keeping a check on where this pay off goes. Neither have come out of this without mud sticking.

There was someone from the Daily Telegraph on the news last night saying the PA had sold his ski lodge for £17 million. It had a mortgage of £6m. The reporter implied that he had used this money. He could have had a top up from the queen

I think he has done it partly because of the jubilee this year. It would have been awful if it had dragged on a spoilt it for the queen.

I am not sure about the money going to VG's charity. Megan and Harry seem to use their charities as their personal income - going off the Daily Mail. You only have to give 5% to charity. I may have my facts mixed up on this though

Dickens, I agree with your comments. Irrespective of whether he knew the girls were underage or trafficked or unwilling the fact is that a father of daughters used other people's daughters for sex knowing they had been supplied by a convicted paedophile.

Tax payers have a right to know who paid the money to stop Andrew going to court. The RF gets lots of public money in their pocket one way or another. PCharles gets over £20 million a year from Duchy more than all the combined heads of state in Europe like wise the queen the Duchies like the Crown Estate are State owned. We pay millions to fund RF and no it doesent come from the Crown Estate.

Charles was asked to clarify that the Duchy is not private as he likes to claim it is it goes to heir the first born male of queen if not male it does not get paid until next heir it goes with the job.

Sarnia

I am disappointed with Virginia Giuffre. Not long ago she said she would not be paid off and wanted to have her day in court to prove her side of the story. Accepting hush money from Prince Andrew, up to his neck in this sordid business, demeans women and sends the wrong message to men of this sort. They can treat women like meat as long as they pay for the privilege. Paying up pretty much says Guilty to me. I hope he slinks into the background and stays there. PA has always come across as the most entitles of the Queen's children. I really feel her today.

I am also slightly disappointed with VG. However, she's probably been 'advised' by her legal team to accept the settlement. And a "huge amount" (apparently) will go to charity.

I would imagine - just guessing - that PA's legal defence would have torn her to shreds and her own defence has warned her that her reputation, rather than his, would be the one that was tarnished.

But the fact remains that PA continued his association with Epstein in the full knowledge of his dubious reputation.

Andrew has daughters - Epstein used other people's daughters as playthings for rich men to toy with, pass around, and then discard.

His banishment from the RF and its associated duties, was necessary. But they're all dysfunctional to some extent: their exalted position - bolstered by a public that sees them almost as some kind of divinity, their onerous public 'duties' that puts them permanently in the spotlight of the media, a media that recognises the gawping nature of royalist adherents and fills column inches - page after page - reporting on their every move... none of this is conducive to leading a normal life.

In spite of not being a Monarchist - I'd rather they remain our 'figurehead' for the time being (and the Queen is nothing if not dutiful, as, I suspect, Charles will also be). They might be anachronist and antiquated, but, in these 'Trumpian times' we could end up with someone far worse than the RF. This is of course a personal opinion, others will disagree.

Whitewavemark2

Windsor had no substantial defence, otherwise it would have come out in the months past.

I’ve no sympathy with PA, he was certainly guilty by association with Epstein and the fact that there was the photo of them together, win or loose in court it was going to cost him millions.
Guiffre was always in a much stronger position, in addition she will make millions out of her best selling book in a few months. At least the money is going to a charity rather than lawyers pockets.

According to Nick Witchell, the settlement money will go to a charity of her choice, but I think he also said that some of it will be retained by her, no figures given.

'entitleD' and 'feel for her'. It's still early!

I am disappointed with Virginia Giuffre. Not long ago she said she would not be paid off and wanted to have her day in court to prove her side of the story. Accepting hush money from Prince Andrew, up to his neck in this sordid business, demeans women and sends the wrong message to men of this sort. They can treat women like meat as long as they pay for the privilege. Paying up pretty much says Guilty to me. I hope he slinks into the background and stays there. PA has always come across as the most entitles of the Queen's children. I really feel her today.

Windsor had no substantial defence, otherwise it would have come out in the months past.

People generally don’t pay out millions to someone they claim never to have met do they?

silverlining48

Probably granniesunite, he is , or was, the queens favourite after alL and always full of his own self importance.
I wonder what his ex wife and daughters think about it. They must all be mortified especially the Queen. I do feel fir her.

As his ex wife is living with him in a grace and favour home in London at a peppercorn rent, i think we can safely assume she is not too mortified.