Wales to offer Covid jabs to children 5 to 11y. ???????

Anecdotal evidence seems to suggest that the thousands of infant and junior school children who test positive for Covid go back to school after a few days with symptoms of a cold.

The JCVI advice is understood to describe vaccines for children as a “non-urgent offer” rather than a recommendation, after months of debate between the committee about whether to back the rollout.

I wonder if this is to do with travel to other countries. I believe entry requirements to some want proof that over 5's have been vaccinated.

Ah. Lightbulb moment! Thanks Sarnia.

I quickly asked my DD this morning about her three if offered and the answer was a no. One child has already had covid, one has a blood disorder and one will take their chances. She happened to speak to the GP last week, about child 2 and the subject turned to all children. His advice was that all young bodies are very different and unpredictable in how they react to both vaccines and viruses, but as omicron is less harmful in itself, having the virus probably now poses the lesser risk for any child.

Josieann

I quickly asked my DD this morning about her three if offered and the answer was a no. One child has already had covid, one has a blood disorder and one will take their chances. She happened to speak to the GP last week, about child 2 and the subject turned to all children. His advice was that all young bodies are very different and unpredictable in how they react to both vaccines and viruses, but as omicron is less harmful in itself, having the virus probably now poses the lesser risk for any child.

But it's not true that the virus poses less of a risk to children than the vaccine. I'm afraid some GPs are misinformed, if that's the advice they're giving.

Urmstongran

The JCVI advice is understood to describe vaccines for children as a “non-urgent offer” rather than a recommendation, after months of debate between the committee about whether to back the rollout.

But all 5-11 year olds in England aren't being offered vaccination, only clinically vulnerable ones or where there is an immuno-suppressed person in the household.

If it was my children Yes I would let them have it. It's smaller dose and give extra protection.
My little 5 Yr old Granddaughter has had so much Schooling cancelled. Since she started last September I don't think she had more than 8 weeks in class.
She's had Covid, which was like a cold she was fine, been a contact several times, then her class was shut down for a week.
Her pre - School never happened.

This should be a big NO.
My SIL ( healthy ex athlete ) had the jab and got two clots, 1 on each lung.
The NHS a cancelled all his follow up appointments due to Omicron so he accessed his private health cover, they wouldn’t treat him as he had been on the receiving end of experimental medicine.
In desperation he went to the American hospital in London/Cheshire they scanned,tested and did very thorough bloods.
He discovered this week he has a hereditary condition that means a huge susceptibility to embolisms and clots.
Their young children are very likely to carry this gene and will be tested in the near future.
The vaccination could kill a young child with this condition.

Sago

What experimental medicine? The vaccines aren't experimental medicine.

Why on earth should young children carry the same gene as your SIL?

Sorry, but this is scaremongering.

Incidentally, I don't understand why a London hospital is in Cheshire.

I think that now is the correct time to offer the vaccine to children. Many other children around the world have been safely vaccinated. The main worry it seems is that a very small number of children (and young people) have suffered the side effect of myocarditis, but the vast majority have recovered after treatment. Very sadly a tiny minority have died.
My son can’t wait to get his nine year old vaccinated. My daughter has said she will not have her children vaccinated, although both she and her husband are fully

fully vaccinated.

Growstuff BUPA class the vaccine as experimental medicine therefore would not pay for my SIL to be treated under the terms of his contract with them.
Maybe it’s a get out clause but that was what they stated.

My SIL and daughter have children together,so the they have a high chance of carrying the gene.

The American hospital is in Wilmslow and London so my SIL has had treatments and consultations between the two.
Here’s the link; www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwimyLWChYT2AhXlmFwKHaoBC28QFnoECEAQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wilmslow.co.uk%2Fnews%2Farticle%2F8628%2Fmulti-million-pound-private-hospital-set-to-open-in-wilmslow&usg=AOvVaw22bqasdASWPJPmMNuPeYxL

I am not scaremongering just warning people that these things happen!

In case you doubt the condition it is is called Factor V Leiden.

I am not happy with healthy 5-11 yr olds having the Covid Vaccine.

I think that if they are CV or CEV then it’s different and they probably should be able to have it.

Omicron has been through the little primary school next door to us, no children were very poorly, the majority were asymptomatic. GC goes there and I have been friends with the Head Teacher for over 20 years, and know several of the teachers and TAs also, who have told me this.

As far as I understand all Covid vaccines have been granted emergency use licenses until the trials officially end in Spring 2023. The was confirmed by one of the more knowledgeable posters who unfortunately is no longer posting.

Scotland just announced they will give to 5+ as well.

Sarnia

I wonder if this is to do with travel to other countries. I believe entry requirements to some want proof that over 5's have been vaccinated.

Older children will have to be vaccinated before they can travel to certain countries so my older DGD will have to have the vaccine before they go later in the year even though she has had Covid.
I'm not sure if the younger one (under 11) will have the vaccine; she has also had Covid.

As Covid went round both schools I should think all their fellow pupils either had it or were in contact with it before they were vaccinated anyway.

A very definite 'no' from me.

growstuff

Sago

What experimental medicine? The vaccines aren't experimental medicine.

Why on earth should young children carry the same gene as your SIL?

Sorry, but this is scaremongering.

Incidentally, I don't understand why a London hospital is in Cheshire.

Why on earth should young children carry the same gene as your SIL?
Because it's hereditary?
It doesn't necessarily follow but it is likely.

I know you advocated very strongly previously for every child to be vaccinated to protect older people, growstuff but I, too, have reservations about this.

If this has been proved to be in the very best interests of the child then I might agree but I'm not sure it is.

We are in danger of having an over-vaccinated population. Some, I agree, are necessary but three separate vaccines were administered to pupils at a DGC's school yesterday - none Covid.

Callistemon21

growstuff

Sago

What experimental medicine? The vaccines aren't experimental medicine.

Why on earth should young children carry the same gene as your SIL?

Sorry, but this is scaremongering.

Incidentally, I don't understand why a London hospital is in Cheshire.

Why on earth should young children carry the same gene as your SIL?
Because it's hereditary?
It doesn't necessarily follow but it is likely.

I know you advocated very strongly previously for every child to be vaccinated to protect older people, growstuff but I, too, have reservations about this.

If this has been proved to be in the very best interests of the child then I might agree but I'm not sure it is.

We are in danger of having an over-vaccinated population. Some, I agree, are necessary but three separate vaccines were administered to pupils at a DGC's school yesterday - none Covid.

Sorry, I didn't make myself clear. I meant all young children. I can understand that parents of children who might have inherited a blood clotting disorder would be wary, but that's no reason for concern about the rest.

No, I haven't advocated for all children to be vaccinated. I have advocated for the parents/carers of all children to be given the choice.

Do you have any details of "over-vaccination"? I'm not sure there is any, but I'll read any reputable links you have.

GrannyGravy13

I am not happy with healthy 5-11 yr olds having the Covid Vaccine.

I think that if they are CV or CEV then it’s different and they probably should be able to have it.

Omicron has been through the little primary school next door to us, no children were very poorly, the majority were asymptomatic. GC goes there and I have been friends with the Head Teacher for over 20 years, and know several of the teachers and TAs also, who have told me this.

As far as I understand all Covid vaccines have been granted emergency use licenses until the trials officially end in Spring 2023. The was confirmed by one of the more knowledgeable posters who unfortunately is no longer posting.

Why aren't you happy? Where's the evidence it's a risk to young children? (And please no nutjob conspiracy sites!)

Sago

Growstuff BUPA class the vaccine as experimental medicine therefore would not pay for my SIL to be treated under the terms of his contract with them.
Maybe it’s a get out clause but that was what they stated.

My SIL and daughter have children together,so the they have a high chance of carrying the gene.

The American hospital is in Wilmslow and London so my SIL has had treatments and consultations between the two.
Here’s the link; www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwimyLWChYT2AhXlmFwKHaoBC28QFnoECEAQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wilmslow.co.uk%2Fnews%2Farticle%2F8628%2Fmulti-million-pound-private-hospital-set-to-open-in-wilmslow&usg=AOvVaw22bqasdASWPJPmMNuPeYxL

I am not scaremongering just warning people that these things happen!

In case you doubt the condition it is is called Factor V Leiden.

I don't doubt the condition. I know somebody who has it.

There's absolutely no reason why most children shouldn't be vaccinated.

maddyone

I think that now is the correct time to offer the vaccine to children. Many other children around the world have been safely vaccinated. The main worry it seems is that a very small number of children (and young people) have suffered the side effect of myocarditis, but the vast majority have recovered after treatment. Very sadly a tiny minority have died.
My son can’t wait to get his nine year old vaccinated. My daughter has said she will not have her children vaccinated, although both she and her husband are fully

A tiny minority of 5-11 year olds have died from Covid too. Many more are suffering Long Covid and even more have missed school and have parents who have missed work to look after them.

growstuff

GrannyGravy13

I am not happy with healthy 5-11 yr olds having the Covid Vaccine.

I think that if they are CV or CEV then it’s different and they probably should be able to have it.

Omicron has been through the little primary school next door to us, no children were very poorly, the majority were asymptomatic. GC goes there and I have been friends with the Head Teacher for over 20 years, and know several of the teachers and TAs also, who have told me this.

As far as I understand all Covid vaccines have been granted emergency use licenses until the trials officially end in Spring 2023. The was confirmed by one of the more knowledgeable posters who unfortunately is no longer posting.

Why aren't you happy? Where's the evidence it's a risk to young children? (And please no nutjob conspiracy sites!)

growstuff I am not into nutjob conspiracy sites

I can remember the epidemiologist and the Scottish Professor who are on BBC1 breakfast show Saturday mornings having a discussion on the pros and cons of vaccinating the under 12’s .

There were no specific pros, other than protecting the elderly and CEV, as those vaccinated are able to carry/infect others as well as contracting Covid themselves that pretty much negates the need to vaccinate all children to protect others.

As I previously posted CV/CEV children should be offered the vaccine, I do not want to see families pushed into vaccinating their youngsters in order to go on holiday abroad.

I do not wish my AC to feel obligated to have their children, (my grandchildren )vaccinated to protect me (I am CV) it is my responsibility to protect myself.

Growstuff Unfortunately it is very unlikely a child with the Factor V Leiden gene would ever be aware.
It is largely undiagnosed in the UK as routine testing does not cover this syndrome.
So sadly many children will be vaccinated and at risk.
I would advocate antibody testing for children but sadly I don’t think this is financially viable.

sago I totally agree with regards testing for Covid antibodies, in children and young adults.