Cash for honours

Clearly Britain loses more than it gains from the monarchy. Let us be brave and end it
Polly Toynbee

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/17/britain-monarchy-end-royal-jubilee?fbclid=IwAR2r5E-r5zpnLMHLZytPDuTqVJ69Fvpo0gm1N6G5iBCl2Q1pxtewlawZ6L4

There might at sometime in the past have been honourable incorruptable PMs who would ignore any names dropped by Chas or Queenie, and any offers of hospitality or other encouragements. Don't think there has been one since Tony Blair I'd consider trustworthy. Oh I'd forgotten Gordon Brown. Don't think he would do anything dodgy

With lists of committee members, btw, so if anyone is after an honour you could look them all up and see which of them you would have a go at nobbling.

Here is more info, Pantglas. This is about the Cabinet Office’s Honours and Appointments Secretariat, which oversees the honours system.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honours_Committee

trisher

I just think if you have to bring in a person you completely despise to defend someone, the person being defended must have sunk pretty low.

I agree trisher

trisher

MaizieD I would imagine nomination is one thing and a word in the right ear quite another.

I expect that I am as horrified as you are about the extent to which money speaks to power and how it buys influence.

But I do think that the PM has more influence over the awarding of honours than does the RF. He can overrule the Honours Committee's decisions, as evidenced in the link I posted. I would be surprised if the RF could, because that would be a political move and the Queen is supposed to be apolitical.

But perhaps I'm just naive...

Thanks for that info Elegran - I cant see that any member of the royal family can guarantee an honour no matter how much dosh is handed over. The days of the Labour Lavender list have long gone!

I just think if you have to bring in a person you completely despise to defend someone, the person being defended must have sunk pretty low.

Grany

JaneJudge

I'm baffled that Jeremy Corbyn has been mentioned

annie first mentioned Jeremy Corbyn as a matter of fact I replyed ok

I suspect that this is another dead cat tactic.

The whole honours system is discredited in my opinion.

If there is a photograph it wasn’t private

JaneJudge

I'm baffled that Jeremy Corbyn has been mentioned

annie first mentioned Jeremy Corbyn as a matter of fact I replyed ok

Charles awarded an honour in a private ceremony but there is a photograph of it.

Well subtlety isn't something you could be accused of Grany.

I'm baffled that Jeremy Corbyn has been mentioned

Jeremy Corbyn has been a anti racist campaigner all forms of racism all his life.

He has started the Peace and Justice Project

Now a right winger in labour has created a fake website Peace and Justice and asks for money.

As figures in the Labour Party move to smear former leader Jeremy Corbyn and push him out, supporters need to be aware of more subtle attackers.

The following is from www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-honours-system-how-work-22614269 It all sounds pretty open and balanced to me, with a lot of people and discussions involved in decisions. I can't really see Prince Charles having much influence on who gets chosen, without it being obvious that he is playing favourites. But hey! why bother looking at the procedure when we can just blame someone in a family we disapprove of?

How are people nominated for honours?

Any member of the public or an official body can nominate someone for an honour.
UK nationals and citizens of 15 Commonwealth “realms” of which the Queen is head of state are eligible for nomination.
People living or working overseas, whose achievements were made in another country or in the UK and have a significant international element, can be nominated too.
Nominations are submitted to the Cabinet Office’s Honours and Appointments Secretariat, which oversees the honours system.
Someone who has made an exceptional contribution to the response to the coronavirus crisis in the UK can also now be nominated.
Non-British or Commonwealth country citizens can be considered for “honorary” awards.

Who approves nominations?

Consideration of nominations can take 12 to 18 months.
The suitability of nominees submitted to the Honours and Appointments Secretariat is established through “merit” and “probity and propriety” checks.
This vetting process, to avoid bringing the system into “disrepute”, can involve the input of government departments, regulatory bodies, professional organisations, HM Revenue and Customs and the ACRO Criminal Records Office.
A group of 10 independent honours committees, each covering a specialist subject area such as sport or health, consider nominations.
The recommendations of these groups of independent experts and senior civil servants are passed on to the Prime Minister and, ultimately, the Queen for approval.
The Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office (FCDO) oversees the Diplomatic Service and Overseas List.

Janamax we obviously have different views on anti semitism

“Queenie” ? Really? There’s your argument gone down the Swanee and unnecessarily as well.

I hadn’t realised that anyone, Queen, Prince or council house kid could actually nominate someone they felt worthy due to their contribution to society, financial or otherwise, MaizieD. Do we know who sits on the actual awarding panel?

Anniebach

Charles can ‘do a Corbyn’ ‘I was there but I don’t know if I was involved ‘, a wreath laying ceremony to terrorists who had murdered an Israeli Olympic team

Yes because going to a grave yard to lay a wreath is far worse than corruption at the highest levels, eh.

MaizieD I would imagine nomination is one thing and a word in the right ear quite another.

trisher

Oh come on does anyone seriously believe that if Charles or Queenie just happened to mention to the PM, what a great chap X was, how much charity had benefitted and what an asset he was to this country, and wouldn't a little reward be nice, Xs name wouldn't be on the next honours list?
They fixed their own tax FFS. Bunging someone an honour would be small fry.

You do realise that anyone can nominate someone to receive and honour?

www.gov.uk/honours

Whether anyone in a position of power can influence the Honours Committee is another matter.

What is certain is that the PM can override a decision of the Honours Committee

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55414981

Oh come on does anyone seriously believe that if Charles or Queenie just happened to mention to the PM, what a great chap X was, how much charity had benefitted and what an asset he was to this country, and wouldn't a little reward be nice, Xs name wouldn't be on the next honours list?
They fixed their own tax FFS. Bunging someone an honour would be small fry.

I wondered about that Anniebach - I’d always thought the Queen (and certainly not Prince Charles) had no say in who the worthy were, she simply bestowed.

The monarchy does not choose who receives honours

The monarchy is corrupt