Julia Hartley-Brewer v Stella Creasy

My post was a comment on the (lack of) response to Callistemon’s.
I’m not putting an argument forward, I asked a simple question.

Germanshepherdsmum

Deafening silence.

From the rules on proxy voting posted above:

The maximum duration of the dispensation to vote by proxy shall be as follows:
Seven months for the biological mother of a baby, or for the primary or single adopter of a baby or child, of which a maximum of one month shall be taken before the due date or adoption date and a maximum of six months after the due date or adoption date.

So the proxy voting is not allowed once the child is seven months old.

Creasey's baby was born in August.

Want to have another go?

But of course you won’t be able to answer my question Daisy because that might involve stating whether you have a child - something you, unlike everyone else, treat as classified information. Much better to raise a hypothetical situation instead.

How about the question involving simple arithmetic, how's that one going GSM?

But the point Stella Creasy is apparently making is unnecessary because she did not need to have her baby in Parliament at 1 a.m. because proxy voting was/is available.

That is my understanding.

Whether she could have voted by proxy or not (and I really can’t be ar*ed to google her children), the point is that the baby could have been left at home with the nanny. It was trotted out purely to make a point by a mother who showed little regard for its wellbeing. Totally unnecessary and unfair.

I know people say they don't have time to read the whole thread, but it would be nice if people would just read the posts from the last 10 minutes or so...

Callistemon21

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Callistemon21

volver

I can't believe that we're in 2021 and there are people who still think the only reason that mothers work is because they selfishly want more money.

Well, every little helps in 2022

With prices of essential commodities going up it pays for necessities for their children in some cases and school fees and holidays in other cases.

It gets you out of the house too which can't be bad, especially if you've been sitting a home for years

It can also be personally fulfilling, provide opportunities for doing something for a society which has invested in your education and give other perspectives on life.

Who knew?

WOW!!

I have no idea who knew, but it's something which some people on this thread seem to overlook.

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Has anyone said mothers must stay at home? No. Some have said it was their choice, any problem there?

Now I’m not ignoring you all but my battery’s running out and I have stuff to do. Please enjoy slating me in my absence.

volver

Germanshepherdsmum

Deafening silence.

From the rules on proxy voting posted above:

The maximum duration of the dispensation to vote by proxy shall be as follows:
Seven months for the biological mother of a baby, or for the primary or single adopter of a baby or child, of which a maximum of one month shall be taken before the due date or adoption date and a maximum of six months after the due date or adoption date.

So the proxy voting is not allowed once the child is seven months old.

Creasey's baby was born in August.

Want to have another go?

But this happened in November when he/she was 13 weeks old.

If he/she is older than that now and there was a vote the other night isn't it time he/she had given up 1.30 am feeds by 7 months? Nanny was there at home.

Not having a go , just pointing out facts which may be relevant to the discussion.

Do stop being so touchy.

Germanshepherdsmum

Perhaps I should have asked, would anyone here have done that, quite unnecessarily and to make a point, to their own baby?

I did once. My baby's nursery had to close one of the baby rooms in an emergency (no electricity). I only found out on my way to nursery and work. I rang my husband, who was able to take a day off work, so I took my baby to work, placed her under my teacher's desk in her car seat, where she slept soundly until my husband arrived to take her. It had absolutely no long term effect.

PS. My daughter, who is now a successful, intelligent, caring and well-balanced adult, has thanked me for the way she was brought up, appreciates how hard it was sometimes and claims she's the person she is now as a result of her upbringing. It seems I didn't do too badly by being a "bad mother", despite doing my best.

Ms Creasy added: 'Great so if you don't hate either maybe stop trying to shame me for feeding a baby and thinking it's daft to be voting at 1am as it's not a childcare matter.

It was end of February or 1st March and said child is now 7 months old and still having 1 am feeds?
as it's not a childcare matter
But it is.

Iam64

2022 and a still arguments about women who are also mothers working. Some work to put food on the table, others to put food on the table and also because they enjoy work

Fathers / men ?’

You beat me to it! Not a mention of fathers not putting the children first.

Just like when you hear “ dad is babysitting”…..

Callistemon21

volver

Germanshepherdsmum

Deafening silence.

From the rules on proxy voting posted above:

The maximum duration of the dispensation to vote by proxy shall be as follows:
Seven months for the biological mother of a baby, or for the primary or single adopter of a baby or child, of which a maximum of one month shall be taken before the due date or adoption date and a maximum of six months after the due date or adoption date.

So the proxy voting is not allowed once the child is seven months old.

Creasey's baby was born in August.

Want to have another go?

But this happened in November when he/she was 13 weeks old.

If he/she is older than that now and there was a vote the other night isn't it time he/she had given up 1.30 am feeds by 7 months? Nanny was there at home.

Not having a go , just pointing out facts which may be relevant to the discussion.

Do stop being so touchy.

It was actually about Parliament not giving maternity cover, which would have meant her constituents wouldn't have been represented.

so I took my baby to work, placed her under my teacher's desk in her car seat, where she slept soundly until my husband arrived to take her. It had absolutely no long term effect.
What an obliging child!
I had one like that but not all of them were!

I just could not have taken my child(ren) into work.

No, she was just a well-loved baby, whose mother did her best, and has grown into a well-loved adult. I doubt if anybody else has ever called her "obliging".

Such emotive language on some of these comments.

A publicity stunt/ baby trotted out/ etc etc

The woman is an MP trying to effect a change, That baby is not going to suffer from that one night, it was hardly being pushed through snow and blizzards in Outer Mongolia.

The working mother thing…. Went back to part time work after four years at home. The outside interest (I am not a gardener, baker, “homemaker”, but very maternal as it happens ) made me a nicer person to be around and therefore benefitted my children. It isn’t all about money…I earned very little.

Germanshepherdsmum

But of course you won’t be able to answer my question Daisy because that might involve stating whether you have a child - something you, unlike everyone else, treat as classified information. Much better to raise a hypothetical situation instead.

I realise gsm has gone temporarily but I think that is rather rude.

Germanshepherdsmum

My post was a comment on the (lack of) response to Callistemon’s.
I’m not putting an argument forward, I asked a simple question.

And, as I pointed out, that quesion was irrelevant. We do not need to have been in any particular position to hold an opinion.

But of course you won’t be able to answer my question Daisy because that might involve stating whether you have a child - something you, unlike everyone else, treat as classified information. Much better to raise a hypothetical situation instead. Germanshepherdsmum Sat 05-Mar-22 14:41:53

Whether I have a child or not is also irrelevant. Why would it make any difference to this argument? Are you saying I may only have an opinion about pets or cars, or anything else only if I do or don't possess one, depending on whether you are for or against something?

The derisive way you constantly return to what you want, i.e., for me to divulge whether I have children or not feels like coercive behaviour. Will you go on, again and again, belittling me until I give way? Can't you accept I have the right to agency when it comes to my posts?

Callistemon21

volver

Germanshepherdsmum

Deafening silence.

From the rules on proxy voting posted above:

The maximum duration of the dispensation to vote by proxy shall be as follows:
Seven months for the biological mother of a baby, or for the primary or single adopter of a baby or child, of which a maximum of one month shall be taken before the due date or adoption date and a maximum of six months after the due date or adoption date.

So the proxy voting is not allowed once the child is seven months old.

Creasey's baby was born in August.

Want to have another go?

But this happened in November when he/she was 13 weeks old.

If he/she is older than that now and there was a vote the other night isn't it time he/she had given up 1.30 am feeds by 7 months? Nanny was there at home.

Not having a go , just pointing out facts which may be relevant to the discussion.

Do stop being so touchy.

If you don't answer, there's a deafening silence.

If you do answer, you're being touchy. ??

I thought you might want to have another go at finding some facts that would support the argument, since the ones you had found did the exact opposite.

The working mother thing…. Went back to part time work after four years at home

I would think that many of us did that although life doesn't always work out as we plan.
So it is not a case of working mothers -v- stay at home mothers; it's a case of finding the best way to be a juggler and keep all the balls in the air particularly as, quite often, women find they are the carers for elderly parents at the same time as seeing to children's needs.

Children's needs are paramount imo. Work fits in around children, that is why so many women I know became teachers or worked part-time or flexible hours if possible.

Not everyone may agree, of course.

I went part time after my children were born, if I had daughters I would advise them not to do that.

I thought you might want to have another go at finding some facts that would support the argument, since the ones you had found did the exact opposite.

Yes, the facts do fit.
Stella Creasy publicised this once before when she took her 13 week old baby into the HofC when she could have voted by proxy; rather reckless with Covid around.
She took the baby in again age 7 months when she could quite easily have left him at home with the Nanny.

She is not really advancing the cause of mothers' rights when she had perfectly satisfactory alternatives each time.