Julia Hartley-Brewer v Stella Creasy

Well done Callistemon. Just a stunt then.

Germanshepherdsmum

Perhaps I should have asked, would anyone here have done that, quite unnecessarily and to make a point, to their own baby?

There was no need

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Perhaps I should have asked, would anyone here have done that, quite unnecessarily and to make a point, to their own baby?

Ok so now we have Stella Creasy not just judged for having a career, she’s being judged and found to be exploitative and potentially neglectful, you know exposing a baby to noise .

Also photographed in HoC and presumably it has to be ferried there and back.

The baby was photographed in a car.

They don't allow cars in the HoC voting lobbies, as far as I'm aware.

I didn’t ‘make it up in my head’ volver. We know and have commented about noise in the HoC and the baby was photographed. Fact, not imagination.

Oh. It got weirder while I was typing...

When you go on some of the RF threads, there are whole scenarios that people have made up in their heads that bolster the things they want to believe, the things that they think must the true. And here we go again.

Puir wee soul, it must have been frightened, out in the cold, how could she, she's not a fit mother.

Its just bizarre, isn't it?

Have to say I agree with Growstuff that TerriBull's post at 10:27 is well-balanced. As TB puts it, the baby's parents need to decide on childcare arrangements - usually mum takes on the main role but not always.
Stella Creasey's campaign, whilst claiming to fight for gender equality, is for WOMEN's rights. From Volver's link "How do caring responsibilities impact women’s career progression?"
It seems the 'forward thinking, progressive' Stella is also antidiluvian in her thinking. The assumption is mum looks after the baby. Maybe women make better mothers...

growstuff

PS. Go you honestly think Creasy's baby is bothered about being in the HoC? Or is it an opportunity for somebody with antedeluvian attitudes to have a go?

You already know that my attitudes are antediluvian so that’s one thing you needn’t hurl at me. I would think that the HoC could be quite a frightening place for a small baby. The baby was used as a prop for publicity, out in the early hours of a winter’s night rather than being warm at home. Used. How many here think that’s right?

growstuff

Callistemon21

volver

I can't believe that we're in 2021 and there are people who still think the only reason that mothers work is because they selfishly want more money.

Well, every little helps in 2022

With prices of essential commodities going up it pays for necessities for their children in some cases and school fees and holidays in other cases.

It gets you out of the house too which can't be bad, especially if you've been sitting a home for years

It can also be personally fulfilling, provide opportunities for doing something for a society which has invested in your education and give other perspectives on life.

Who knew?

WOW!!

Oops! That should have been "Do you ...". I agree with volver. "Poor mite" was a comment intended to blame the baby's "dreadful" mother.

PS. Go you honestly think Creasy's baby is bothered about being in the HoC? Or is it an opportunity for somebody with antedeluvian attitudes to have a go?

Crusade?

She's an MP.

She's sees something she thinks needs fixing.

Actually doing something to change laws is what we pay her for.

She may not be doing something you personally approve of, that doesn't mean she's wrong to do it.

(And sorry, but any talk about poor mite is ridiculous. But then I'm not maternal and given to venerating small children )

Those are your opinions HolySox, to which you're entitled, but don't expect other people not to disagree with you. In my opinion (to which I am also entitled), your opinions are antedeluvian.

volver

^Stella Creasey does nothing for working women - it just self promotion.^

I know everyone is entitled to their opinion about working mums, even if that opinion is ante-diluvian. But if you're going to start throwing comments like that around, check your facts.

This is a link to some information on what the "self promoting " Creasey is doing for working women.

www.progressive-policy.net/events/what-women-want-ending-the-care-penalty-in-the-workplace

Whatever crusade Stella might be on I can't see any justification for bringing a baby into the house ... (although it seems she brought a nanny with her). Sorry, I just deplore someone using their baby for a publicity stunt. Poor mite.
Certainly not ante-diluvian to have the opinion that children are best looked after by their mothers. Whilst British law allows for either parent to be awarded primary care of children in divorce the courts invariably award care to the mum. Is Stella fighting to get this inequalty rectified? I think not!

Callistemon21

volver

I can't believe that we're in 2021 and there are people who still think the only reason that mothers work is because they selfishly want more money.

Well, every little helps in 2022

With prices of essential commodities going up it pays for necessities for their children in some cases and school fees and holidays in other cases.

It gets you out of the house too which can't be bad, especially if you've been sitting a home for years

It can also be personally fulfilling, provide opportunities for doing something for a society which has invested in your education and give other perspectives on life.

2022 and a still arguments about women who are also mothers working. Some work to put food on the table, others to put food on the table and also because they enjoy work

Fathers / men ?’

DiscoDancer1975

DaisyAnne

DiscoDancer Sat 05-Mar-22 09:47:16.

If you have been "made to feel inadequate over the years" then why deal with it by attempting to do the same to others?

You did, indeed say "only SAHM’s know how to bring up their children." What you said is: "You can’t put your children first if you’re working. It’s just basic common sense." I don't think there is any other way to read that sentence.

You throw challenges at others and then expect not to be challenged yourself. That is never going to happen if you treat your opinions as truths. They are not. I would go as far as to say they are a distorted opinion of how the world works for many parents.

If you had said it worked for you. If you had recognised everyone's circumstances differ, that the world has changed a lot since then, I doubt anyone would even have replied. But telling people that only those who did what you did "put their children first" was never going to go down well, was it.

Those two sentences are not the same at all!! I am sorry if it’s offended you. That was definitely not my intention.

I don’t understand how I’ve thrown challenges at others I’ve merely stated my own opinion. Challenges occur before the event....not after. So when my daughters talk about going back to work, I challenge them on the pros and cons, and you’re right, I can certainly see how things have changed for them. I can’t challenge any of you, because it’s over and done with.

If it’s of any interest to you....there are things I regret now, and wish I’d done differently, but being a SAHM isn’t one of them.

Enjoy the rest of your weekend.

I did not say you should regret staying at home DiscoDancer, and nothing you had said had offended me but I can see why it does offend.

However, you are still talking as if your opinion is fact. I doubt we can get past that. You have a good weekend too.

Stella Creasey does nothing for working women - it just self promotion.

I know everyone is entitled to their opinion about working mums, even if that opinion is ante-diluvian. But if you're going to start throwing comments like that around, check your facts.

This is a link to some information on what the "self promoting " Creasey is doing for working women.

www.progressive-policy.net/events/what-women-want-ending-the-care-penalty-in-the-workplace

volver

I can't believe that we're in 2021 and there are people who still think the only reason that mothers work is because they selfishly want more money.

Well, every little helps in 2022

With prices of essential commodities going up it pays for necessities for their children in some cases and school fees and holidays in other cases.

It gets you out of the house too which can't be bad, especially if you've been sitting a home for years

That is very different to what you were agreeing with HolySox and much more nuanced.

I don't think "most mums know best about how to look after there children" at all times. They may not have a good role model or, while they may know how to find the best for their children as they grow they may not be able to directly provide it themselves. If they could home-schooling would be best for all children.

As for not all mums being natural mothers, I would guess most mothers felt they were better at some ages than others.

So I'll ask you ... do you think it correct to take a baby to work with you?

The question I asked you was in answer to something you declared to be a truth. I have not commented on taking babies to work and do not intend to.

I have commented on supporting all parents with free child care from 1 to 3. I would also suggest (not declare as a truth) that this could be followed by free pre-school from 3 to 7. My opinion is that taking up this offer should not be mandatory.

Oh yes 2022, sorry. At least I didn't type 1921, which is what this is like.

HolySox

volver

I can't believe that we're in 2021 and there are people who still think the only reason that mothers work is because they selfishly want more money.

Wakey wakey, 2022?
Yes, appreciate some women prefer a 'career' other than being a mother. Working on a till in the supermarket to make ends meet isn't a career.

It is if they are motivated enough to get promotion ... or to study so they can do something more fulfilling.