GNHQ have commented on this thread. Read here.
As the usual posters on trans threads know, I support trans rights and also self-label as an intersectional feminist.
The irony of that statement however, is that after the first few posts on the threads that deal with trans issues, I invariably more or less step away from them, other than the occasional comment. There are quite a few other posters that do the same. I could name them, but that would be inappropriate. The reason that we do this is due to the animosity and personal insults that are bandied about, towards those of us that support trans equality. No doubt, the same things will happen on this thread.
The point of this thread, therefore, is to show, publically, that despite the orchestrated attacks from gender criticial feminists, that there are still a good number of us that do not take that position.
To anyone that reads these threads but is too intimidated to join in for the reasons given above, I'm just saying, we are still here!
That comment about Putin ? Really?
But… I’m getting so fed up with not getting a straight answer. I have no agenda. I genuinely wanted to have evidence quotes whatever of jkr which merit what has happened to her
volver
Rosie51
volver
What do we think of this?
www.jamiewallisbridgend.com/news/statement-from-jamie-wallis-mp-30th-march-2022Why don't you start? Be good to know your thoughts.
I really don't know Rosie51 I feel sorry for Jamie.
But I also know that whatever I say the other "side" will have a go. Did anybody know that this person was trans?
Nobody can actually ask a straight question any more, can they? We all have to have "sides"...
I think the rape was as awful as any other person who has been raped. I had no knowledge of this MP at all let alone his 'trans' status, I hope he gets all the help he needs to recover from a horrible ordeal. I also don't agree with anyone being 'outed' like this. I didn't agree when Peter Tatchell was advocating it, and I still don't. Personal life as long as it's legal is just that, personal and private.
I have just seen the posts above this one, and infer that a transperson was raped. I am not clear whether Jamie is male or female, but that doesn't matter (it's that I am aware that there are those waiting to take offence on Jamie's behalf). Either way, rape is horrible.
As I can't open the link, can someone please explain what the case is being used to illustrate? Whether the rape is of a transperson or by a transperson is (IMO) equally horrible. I am assuming that it is one or the other?
With respect GG13, we're straight away into the usual territory.
yes, yes, Jamie had a hard time, but what about sport!
What does he mean trans? Was it really rape??
To an outside observer, its all just a bit obsessive. Sorry 
Another link: metro.co.uk/2022/03/30/tory-mp-reveals-they-have-been-raped-and-blackmailed-after-coming-out-as-trans-16369865/?ito=socialmetrouktwitter
Mollygo
Rosie51
I always wonder what anyone has against JKR. She's given millions to charity and I've never yet found one person who can actually quote one bad/transphobic thing she's said. Maybe because there. isn't. one. Criticise her writing if it isn't to your taste, but to dislike a person, give reasons, especially if you have no personal contact or knowledge of said person.
Good post Rosie51 with some excellent points.
I wouldn’t dare ask that, but perhaps you haven’t been warned.
I am still waiting to hear what JKR is supposed to have said that justifies the death threats and attempts at cancellation.
Saying that anyone who holds the opinion that people cannot change sex deserves to be threatened not only contravenes the law, as that belief is protected in law, but also shows a lack of belief in freedom of speech and thought. Citing Putin to back up one's belief consolidates the belief that thoughts and beliefs should be controlled.
Regardless of the politics of the above, it would be great to see what it is that JKR has said that has so upset the 'trans allies' on this thread. It won't happen, as it never does. It is one of the 'demands' (along with what is a woman' and 'how does someone know that they are the 'wrong' sex' that underpins their point of view (or would underpin an understanding of how it works, if only we were told what it is).
It is part of the 'through the looking glass' experience of believing that sex is immutable that we are told we are discriminatory, transphobic, Nazi, racist, homophobic and more, but not what it is that we are disagreeing with, or why it is that our most noteworthy and bravest ally has done so wrong.
A direct question to the so-called 'trans 'allies' - do you never ask yourselves why you think as you do when you can't answer these basic questions, or are you happy to belittle, insult and sneer at others based on a 'feeling'? Or do you know the answers but not want to share them for some reason?
Volver's link doesn't work for me, either.
But I also know that whatever I say the other "side" will have a go. Did anybody know that this person was trans?
What does he mean when he says trans? I don’t understand.
A part of his conversation describes being raped. Rape still means with a penis, so the perpetrator must have been male. It can still be rape, and is no less serious, but is male with male now trans?
volver
Rosie51
volver
What do we think of this?
www.jamiewallisbridgend.com/news/statement-from-jamie-wallis-mp-30th-march-2022Why don't you start? Be good to know your thoughts.
I really don't know Rosie51 I feel sorry for Jamie.
But I also know that whatever I say the other "side" will have a go. Did anybody know that this person was trans?
Nobody can actually ask a straight question any more, can they? We all have to have "sides"...
I don’t know if it’s taking sides per se.
I feel very strongly regarding the trans issue and female sport, as muscle mass, bone density, heart and lung size are all formed pre puberty and cannot be reversed which gives a trans woman an unfair advantage when competing against natal women.
A women is what she is due to her life experiences since birth, due to her hormones, due to her relationships etc.
I saw on Twitter this week a trans women complaining about ^ period pains, and how were women supposed to function whilst in pain and bleeding^ To say that I was furious, dismayed and outright gobsmacked is not an exaggeration.
How can a man, experience the above, it’s an impossibility especially the period pains…
trisher
Oh JKR. I believe Putin thinks they share the same opinions about cancel culture.
Judging by Putin's behaviour, especially lately, I don't think we can take his opinions and comparisons as being valid in any way.....?
Coastpath
Thinking about what it is to be a woman and of women, both those I know and women in general, I picture a certain set of attributes that are the result of a lifetime of being born a girl and being treated like a girl every single day until you are a woman. That process of being a woman is in every tiny detail, experience and encounter from birth until death. The way you are treated, received by others, taught and exposed to the world and the expectations place on you. That process is different for boys.
Does anyone wiser than me understand how men who transition to women assimilate all that girl/woman life experience, or is it not necessary or desirable for them to do so?
I have no agenda with this question, just a genuine desire for knowledge of a subject about which I know little.
They don't.
And I have no agenda in saying so either. Having an opinion doesn't mean that someone has an agenda, does it?
Rosie51
volver
What do we think of this?
www.jamiewallisbridgend.com/news/statement-from-jamie-wallis-mp-30th-march-2022Why don't you start? Be good to know your thoughts.
I really don't know Rosie51 I feel sorry for Jamie.
But I also know that whatever I say the other "side" will have a go. Did anybody know that this person was trans?
Nobody can actually ask a straight question any more, can they? We all have to have "sides"...
trisher
Oh JKR. I believe Putin thinks they share the same opinions about cancel culture.
That’s right, compare a female author, someone who encourages children to read, who gives to charity to a mass murderer. Nice
trisher
Oh JKR. I believe Putin thinks they share the same opinions about cancel culture.
That's the lowest of the low trying to tarnish someone by the words of Putin. He's had a bit to say about Zelensky, going to quote those too?
volver I think his experience is dreadful, rape is abhorrent whether the victim is male or female.
I think it takes courage for a rape victim to go public, maybe more so for a man in such a high profile job.
I have empathy for folks who really do have body dysphoria, I hope they get counselling and understanding.
This does not detract from the biological fact that you cannot change your sex, every cell in your body is you, it carries your chromosomes, none of which can be altered.
I had read this on the news. but actually, when I click the link I get nothing, so that’s what I think!
trisher please can you respond to my post to you at 14.41 yesterday?
volver
What do we think of this?
www.jamiewallisbridgend.com/news/statement-from-jamie-wallis-mp-30th-march-2022
Why don't you start? Be good to know your thoughts.
Thinking about what it is to be a woman and of women, both those I know and women in general, I picture a certain set of attributes that are the result of a lifetime of being born a girl and being treated like a girl every single day until you are a woman. That process of being a woman is in every tiny detail, experience and encounter from birth until death. The way you are treated, received by others, taught and exposed to the world and the expectations place on you. That process is different for boys.
Does anyone wiser than me understand how men who transition to women assimilate all that girl/woman life experience, or is it not necessary or desirable for them to do so?
I have no agenda with this question, just a genuine desire for knowledge of a subject about which I know little.
What do we think of this?
www.jamiewallisbridgend.com/news/statement-from-jamie-wallis-mp-30th-march-2022
Oh JKR. I believe Putin thinks they share the same opinions about cancel culture.
I follow J K Rowling, the abuse she has had for siding with women as opposed to trans-women is unbelievable.
If those of us born as women do not stand side-by-side for our right not to be put in the same category as a man in a dress, if we do not fight for our daughters and granddaughters rights in sport, I am afraid that the men will have won yet again (however they choose to ID)…
Lucca
J k Rowling Violet sky ? What has she done that is so bad ?
I don't know what she's done, other than exercise her right to free speech and opinion, but what I do know is that she gets reluctant young readers becoming interested in books, through her HP books.
Parents (and grandparents) still buy the books, the films are still on TV, and the parks/franchising industries roll on.
She's rich and famous enough not to worry about being "cancelled" and she's established enough to be able to ignore the snippy young actors, and their silly digs. The same ungrateful young actors who were made famous by her early books.
Her books etc will be going far longer than her detractors will have credibility.
Her latest film, loosely based on HP, is looking to be a huge success.
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10664863/JK-Rowling-poses-red-carpet-premiere-Fantastic-Beasts-film-days-Putin-comparison-row.html
The same with Germain Greer - her credentials were established years ago, and she has nothing left to prove to anyone.?
J k Rowling Violet sky ? What has she done that is so bad ?
Galaxy, it is disrespectful, to ALL females including the OP, but mostly to the majority of females who object to being lumped together with cheats like Lia Thomas and rapists like Karen White and others mentioned on GN.
Actually, I think the way forward and more accurate is to say Trans Men Are Female or
Trans Women Are Male,
but the unwillingness to use the sex identification words Male and Female, leaves it that
Trans Men Are Transmen or TMAW and
Trans Women Are Transwomen or TWAT.
And yes, I know, I’m risking it after being warned.
VioletSky
Trans woman are women
Trans men are men
Stating otherwise directly causes harm to the trans community, is disrespectful, denies their identity, defies advice given by the medical community, denies the protections given to by the equality act, ignores government advice and completely invalidates them.
Blaming the trans community as a whole for the actions of a few or for issues that arise from organisations looking for paths to accepting them directly causes fear and anger that empowers those who are unafraid to confront or even attack trans people who are simply living their everyday lives. It also endangers any woman not conforming to gender roles or whose appearance doesn't conform to gender norms.
The truth is that all of these discussions could easily have happened without ever doing either of those things.
All of these discussions could have happened in a compassionate and empathetic way.
That has not happened. Not for trans people and not for their allies.
The UK has always been (to some of us proudly, to others not so much) a front runner for equality and acceptance. As a result in communities, and the media it has often been a battle ground of belief causing fear and even violence.
I remember the difficulties faced by many minority groups due to belief. I remember the damage done to those minority groups and their friends, partners and allies.
Anyone supportive of the rights of any minority group to live openly and authentically must remember the damage done by those who wanted to invalidate them and their allies.
Anyone supportive of same sex relationships, ethnic minorities and other religions or cultures must be able to remember the damage done to them and their allies by the beliefs that invalidate their right to live authentically.
Beliefs are a choice. Always have been.
Its a protected belief VS to believe you cant change sex. I think its quite disrespectful to try to stop people expressding their beliefs. Oh and your statement about medical advice isnt true. The Cass report is stating that there is not enough data on the results of social transition.
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