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What is a woman?

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VioletSky Sat 26-Mar-22 12:27:16

What is a woman to me?

I feel in modern times women are being reduced to sex categories, ignoring our vast and varied biology. The very biology that for years has allowed women to be stereotyped, seen as weaker and even seen as so great in difference to other women, women were enslaved and sold.

Biology as diverse as a woman's has caused so many non white women pain and fear yet the biology of women is now somehow fixed?

Sojourner Truth "Ain't I a woman?"

Yet we are all women and that must be respected while acknowledging our differences, our separate struggles, our journeys to claiming our womanhood. The discriminations other women have faced that we don't and the discriminations other women have faced that we do because of biological diversity.

Some simply see women as one simple biological fact, men and women. Nothing else.

Some of us see it as a rainbow, A beautiful spectrum of difference and diversity. Men, women, trans, non binary people, all valid.

I wasn't born a woman, I was born a baby, I became a child, on an equal footing with boys, running and jumping and getting dirty in the mud. What was there to tell us apart but the hair and clothes chosen for us by adults?

I wasn't born a woman, society told me I was one when I reached physical maturity. Society told me what to wear, how to act.

Am I a woman? I choose my own hair, my own clothes, my personality and how to express myself in the ways that other women do that I enjoy as an individual.

Can anyone look at me and declare my womanhood undoubtedly? Probably but only because that is what I choose and how I express myself. Is that true of all people? No.

You see everything about who I am as a woman is on the inside. Its in my thoughts, my opinions, my appreciation of beautiful things, the way I would like to look, the clothes I would like to wear, in the things I appreciate about friends and family, the strength I have for my children, the love and the pure determination to be a good mother.

I am a woman on the inside, not the outside. That's how I identify. I can change the outside. I can gain or lose weight, I can wear more or less make up, I can cut my hair or grow it out. I can have my body surgically altered but who I am on the inside remains the same.

I am one woman amongst a world of biologically diverse women, not a single one of us looks exactly the same, we don't all choose to express our gender identity visually at all, yet still identify as women.

It is the same for trans women.

I am a woman and so is she.

SueDonim Tue 29-Mar-22 23:29:45

Chewbacca

This one is perfect...... Man, I feel Like A Woman by Shania Twain. It could be an anthem! grin

When my youngest was about 4yo she sang that song endlessly. It drove us all round the bend, especially when we were cooped up with her on a long car journey - she was on repeat for about six hours! ??

Smileless2012 Tue 29-Mar-22 23:03:34

Brilliant Chewbaccagrin

We still play our vinylsblush.

Mollygo Tue 29-Mar-22 22:46:40

Chewbacca

This one is perfect...... Man, I feel Like A Woman by Shania Twain. It could be an anthem! grin

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That’s so funny.

Chewbacca Tue 29-Mar-22 22:38:40

This one is perfect...... Man, I feel Like A Woman by Shania Twain. It could be an anthem! grin

Mollygo Tue 29-Mar-22 21:51:07

Chewbacca

^When you’re in Love with a Beautiful Woman. Dr Hook.^
Now that's a blast from the past MollyGo! grin I think I've still got the vinyl album of Dr Hook somewhere but nothing to play it on! grin

We bought a player from B&M just so we could play DH’s Beatles Albums!

Chewbacca Tue 29-Mar-22 21:47:41

When you’re in Love with a Beautiful Woman. Dr Hook.
Now that's a blast from the past MollyGo! grin I think I've still got the vinyl album of Dr Hook somewhere but nothing to play it on! grin

Mollygo Tue 29-Mar-22 21:28:56

When you’re in Love with a Beautiful Woman. Dr Hook.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=uVXVO_vF2Io
YHSHGB

Smileless2012 Tue 29-Mar-22 21:19:01

Peggy Lee 'Cause I'm a woman' W O M E N I'll say it again ........

VioletSky Tue 29-Mar-22 20:00:30

youtu.be/Jb9aamNfTLU

Mollygo Tue 29-Mar-22 20:00:03

I know that I’m Every Woman, and I agree about Aretha.

Chewbacca Tue 29-Mar-22 19:46:10

How about I'm Every Woman by Aretha? An absolute classic Zoe; in fact anything Aretha Franklin ever sang.

GagaJo Tue 29-Mar-22 19:05:48

a provincial uni Ah, trying to denigrate a research driven uni, which has led the UK in Queer theory, and has employed some of the best UK writers on the subject. On the basis of it being provincial, aka snobbery.

Madgran77 Tue 29-Mar-22 17:42:16

timetogo2016

Fair comment about the clothing.

timetogo smile

Madgran77 Tue 29-Mar-22 17:40:20

She will have been a square peg in a round hole

One who was not willing to be squashed into a "round hole" just to keep everyone happy!

Zoejory Tue 29-Mar-22 17:37:43

Ah yes, Billy Joel.

How about I'm Every Woman by Aretha? An all encompassing song

Chewbacca Tue 29-Mar-22 17:35:24

Ah Helen Reddy, now there was a woman with a lovely voice. Personally, I think of Billy Joel and "She's always a woman to me".

Zoejory Tue 29-Mar-22 17:26:16

Every time I read this thread title I burst into the Helen Reddy song.

So there you go, OP. What is Woman? Hellen Reddy is woman.

timetogo2016 Tue 29-Mar-22 17:22:17

Fair comment about the clothing.

Chewbacca Tue 29-Mar-22 16:48:26

I'm not sure it's possible to effect change against a culture which is very established and has been in place for a long time.

Which pretty much sums up the whole scientific and biological belief that a man cannot be a woman no matter what he wears, thinks, feels, says or does. And that's been around for a hell of a lot longer than a provincial uni.

GagaJo Tue 29-Mar-22 16:37:52

Ilovecheese

"She will have been a square peg in a round hole."
Surely universities need a few square pegs though?

Yes, probably. But as the only one, with such an emotive issue, I'm not sure it's possible to effect change against a culture which is very established and has been in place for a long time.

A bit like a sole working class professor in a very middle/upper class seat of learning, or a professor of colour, trying to teach Critical Race Theory in a old school, 'dead white men' teaching environment.

Ilovecheese Tue 29-Mar-22 16:28:14

"She will have been a square peg in a round hole."
Surely universities need a few square pegs though?

GagaJo Tue 29-Mar-22 16:08:33

Baggs

Should anyone be interested, Kathleen Stock's book Material Girls: why reality matters for feminism Kindle edition is selling for 99p on @mazon.

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She is the academic who resigned from Sussex Uni last after a witch hunt against her. She's now at a new university in the US.

To be honest, I was surprised to hear she was at Sussex at the very beginnings of the controversy. They were leaders in Queer / Trans theory many moons ago when I was there. She will have been a square peg in a round hole.

Doodledog Tue 29-Mar-22 15:52:15

trisher

Rosie51

Milk comes from a cow but I wouldn't say it had anything to do with putting it in my tea. not sure the equivalence of this but neither would you say it's the same as comes from a dog would you? And I assume you don't expect to get milk from a bull? Even if it identifies as a cow?

Rosie51 it's the end of a discussion about if a penis is necessary for a pregnancy.
The penis delivers semen, the cow milk. Neither needs to be present for the end product. A baby or a cup of tea.
I think some lesbians who have babies wouldn't want to think about a penis being involved.

I know lesbians who have been called transphobic for not wanting sex with a penis, never mind a baby.

Baggs Tue 29-Mar-22 15:50:45

*last year

Baggs Tue 29-Mar-22 15:50:21

Should anyone be interested, Kathleen Stock's book Material Girls: why reality matters for feminism Kindle edition is selling for 99p on @mazon.

www.amazon.co.uk/Material-Girls-Kathleen-Stock/dp/0349726604?tag=gransnetforum-21

She is the academic who resigned from Sussex Uni last after a witch hunt against her. She's now at a new university in the US.