Are the Royal Family losing their touch?

But if there was no RF, what would ****** find to moan about? Spending £16K on billboards instead of supporting the poor?

1395 supporters so far have chipped in what they can afford on crowdfund so far at this moment £40.600 has been raised to buy Billboards.

Bridgeit

Assume what you like along with your sarcasm, but perhaps you would do better to do some research for yourself.

We can research all we want, but we are not finding what you are saying. So would you please share yours to enlighten us?

All that money to promote hatred Grany? Im sure you’re all very proud. And the poor are still with us.

Good lord, nobody hates them.

My post at 9:40 this morning. They can have a much money, palaces, yachts and goodness knows what else as they want. I just don't want them and their ever-expanding families to have positions of power based on their parentage.

The poor will be with us whoever the HoS is. You have got this very wrong indeed, haven't you?

At the end of the day the royals are no different than any of us, except they’re astoundingly rich. There is no reason at all to respect them particularly, or admire them particularly. They are no different to you or I. The power they yield is small, but still there. They should not have any power at all, and the amount of public money spent on protecting them is beyond ridiculous.

It's not hatred to want change to see an alternative some people cannot see the point of an unelected Head of State from one family given a job for life. It's the principle it's undemocratic and bad for British politics. They want real democracy an accountable to the people Head of State. You don't question the fact we have a monarchy you accept it no questions asked your choice.
Yes monarchy works as a pernicious myth in British life because it is inherently immoral and unjustifiable and yet deludes most people into accepting a society which does not serve their best interests

But really? Spending all that money to promote hatred of a family instead of spending it on the NHS or the asylum seekers or the food banks?

Nobody hates the family.

You appear to be judging us by your own standards. We're not advocating the Russian Revolution here.

I do think this is interesting.

I think Grany, maddyone and the other republicans on here are like me, in that its the institution of monarchy that we dislike. On the other hand, there are posters who think that the institution of monarchy is fine as a system of government and we should stick to it.

Then there seems to be a group of people who think its all driven by jealousy and hatred, and that we individually hate specific members of the family, or the family as a whole. I have to say the only "hate" I have seen has been directed from monarchists towards members of the family who they don't think are made of the right stuff. But perhaps having a system that depends so much on the public supporting people at the top for years and years based only on their perceived personalities, will result in blind devotion from the public. And anybody who disagrees is seen as a "hater".

I think you are right about the hatred of certain members of the RF, volver. The vitriol that monarchists can generate on any thread about eg Diana or one of her sons is quite extraordinary.

But perhaps having a system that depends so much on the public supporting people at the top for years and years based only on their perceived personalities, will result in blind devotion from the public.
Maybe. I don't disagree.

Different from others, I usually come to these discussions from the human aspect linked to behaviour and expectations. I am fascinated by what makes people tick and how they choose to present an image. I am sure recent happenings will for example make William and Catherine reevaluate their aspirations, including their possessions and their lifestyle. I think someone said earlier, Meghan and Harry were sort of on the right track there at one point.
So personalities will have to change. Arrogance and a sense of entitlement will have to go, but that doesn't mean that a slimmed down RF can't exist.

Which of the family is arrogant ?

That's an interesting observation Joseanne. But I don't think that recent events will actually change how they are, or their possessions or their lifestyle, it will only change the face they show us. So it still comes down to personalities, and the assumption that it has to be them who are there, and not a Head of State that really represents and is chosen by the people.

Good post volver 14.39. Thank you.

Anniebach

Which of the family is arrogant ?

Arrogance in terns of dismissiveness and rudeness, and constant moaning. Mainly to staff and of course to the media, both of whom might be a nuisance to them, but who they need to favourably promote those personalities volver speaks about. And yes they are fake to an extent. Yet, I don't class Anne's what you see is what you get behaviour in that way.

But how do the people know that the HoS they chose will turn out to be who they thought he/she was volver? What is the test? Everyone would disagree on that too.

I think its quite arrogant to assume that you are the only person capable of being head of state, or the only family capable of generating a head of state, and that anybody else just isn't up to the job.

Joseanne

But how do the people know that the HoS they chose will turn out to be who they thought he/she was volver? What is the test? Everyone would disagree on that too.

Well they don't. But we can vote in somebody else next time. We're not stuck with the same person for 70 years.

Democracy has a lot going for it.

Who says the RF think they’re the only people capable of doing the job they’re doing? Who has ever asked them? Who thinks any HoS would come from a poor background? Who thinks that their expertise would ensure we got a good HoS? What would a HoS do for the money they would cost, to elect them and support them? We’ve had MT, GB, TB and BJ as PM as a result of our voting skills. Not really been impressed with any of them.
Where does the Russian Revolution come in?
Have I never read on hear that some posters don’t want the institution of Tories on here because they don’t like BJ? Or that they won’t vote for the institution of Labour because they don’t rate KS?
If a picture of a GN poster was put on a billboard with wording that said GN doesn’t need this poster? Or that GN is secretive and divisive would that not be promoting ill feeling?
So much money spent on criticising people spending money.

You do seem rather obsessed with money Mollygo. Money and hatred.

Where does the Russian Revolution come in?
They shot their Royal Family. I don't think anybody is advocating we shoot anybody.

The Tories/Labour aren't a system of government. Constitutional monarchy is. Not sure where else to go with that.

volver

You do seem rather obsessed with money Mollygo. Money and hatred.
Not really, just amazed that people criticising others for having and spending money and suggesting that it would be better spent on other things spend so much on billboards promoting ill-feeling.

Where does the Russian Revolution come in?
I don’t know. I’m sure you mentioned it upthread but I didn’t know why. I supposed you thought it was important.

The Tories/Labour aren't a system of government. ???
Constitutional monarchy is. Not sure where else to go with that.
But I’m sure I’ve read on GN that the RF don’t govern the country. Are you saying they do?

Is it the RF who are at fault or is it the men in grey who surround them? If the RF are surrounded by sycophants who want to keep their own level of importance and status, how can the RF ever get a realistic knowledge of how they are perceived. I think there is a lot of people holding on to their own sense of importance and will not want to lose a RF.

Mollygo

volver

You do seem rather obsessed with money Mollygo. Money and hatred.
Not really, just amazed that people criticising others for having and spending money and suggesting that it would be better spent on other things spend so much on billboards promoting ill-feeling.

Where does the Russian Revolution come in?
I don’t know. I’m sure you mentioned it upthread but I didn’t know why. I supposed you thought it was important.

The Tories/Labour aren't a system of government. ???
Constitutional monarchy is. Not sure where else to go with that.
*But I’m sure I’ve read on GN that the RF don’t govern the country. Are you saying they do?*

In order:

I don't think people are being criticised for spending money. They are being criticised for spending our money. The money that is voluntarily spent on billboards is a drop in the ocean compared to the money that the RF costs us, whether we want them or not.

The Russian Revolution? You asked the question and I answered it. Did you miss that bit?

Constitutional monarchy is a system of government. That's the system of government we have. Our system of government relies on having a monarch, who has certain constitutional duties. I though that was well known, maybe not. Comparing people complaining about individual political parties with people complaining about the way the country is run is just apples and pears.

Honeysuckleberries

Is it the RF who are at fault or is it the men in grey who surround them? If the RF are surrounded by sycophants who want to keep their own level of importance and status, how can the RF ever get a realistic knowledge of how they are perceived. I think there is a lot of people holding on to their own sense of importance and will not want to lose a RF.

Oh, the RF. Definitely the RF.