Are the Royal Family losing their touch?

Oh, and while I remember...have this priceless jewelled hat and a choice of which laws to ignore. I wouldn't want you to have to work for anything when I can provide it.

Don't have any children. Probably makes me able to see things like inheritance and unfair patronage more clearly.

Here you are darling, have Cornwall. You deserve it.

Hands up on GN those who wouldn’t give anything to their children if they had the means or wealth to do so, but would tell them they must work for anything they want.

paddyann54

Mollygo we'd pay a vast amount LESS than we do now .We'd pay for the President not the 18 other folk in "GRACE AND FAVOUR" homes or the multiple homes that some like Will and Kate have .
BUT its not all about money its about living in a country thats fairer ,where one family aren't treated like demi gods ,pampered and privileged NOT because they are extraordinary human beings with great talent or amazing skills .They are feted and fawned over just because of whose vagina they came down .
That is so wrong .On any level that is wrong because surely we have progressed since the middle ages when it was accepted and believed they had divine rights .
Meritocracy with someone who worked their way to the top instead of being handed the world on a plate is how we should be led.
Sadly it appears folk down south dont have faith in anyone BUT those born privileged and look what that landed us with Boris and hiis circus of inept ,incompetent Eton educated clowns .

I love this post

off with our heads

It is completely insulting and completely dismissive of people who want change to say that we only do it to keep our minds active. How off the mark. How rude. How short sighted.
Not at all short sighted.
The research people on GN do on ANY subject including the RF is a better means of keeping your mind active than any of the other things that are suggested in the media today.
Principally because it still implies interaction, albeit silent, which crosswords, number puzzles etc do not.
Shortsighted is if you don’t know that interaction is good for the brain.
Rude?
Since evidently you think anything I post which doesn’t match your pov is rude . . . ???

paddyann specifically said that its not to do with the money, and its not. Now monarchists can persist as much as they like with the comforting thought that we're all just jealous of the money, but that's not the problem.

Most of us are just angry that people in positions of privilege and power in the control of this country can mould the laws of the land for their own benefit, and in the last 70 years (at least) we have not been allowed to question it. Most of us are angry that the Head of State and their extended family can decide which laws they are going to abide by. (Tax etc.) Many of us are bewildered that we have a whole section of the country that think the purpose of a Head of State is to have people wave at them and value their patronage. As somebody said somewhere else, if a new country was setting up its Head of State with these regulations, we'd all think they were an affront to democracy.

It is completely insulting and completely dismissive of people who want change to say that we only do it to keep our minds active. How off the mark. How rude. How short sighted.

But I don’t treat them like demi gods. I let them get on with their lives and what they do. If HM handed over all her wealth tomorrow, the rich and famous would be in charge of allocating it and it would still never reach those in most need of it. Thinking it would make a difference is a fantasy.
Also having read about the expenses that some MPs claim I’m not convinced that we wouldn’t end up paying more than you seem to think it would cost to have a head of state.
Finally if we had a republic who would you find to target then. The Royal family serve an unacknowledged purpose for Republicans, keeping their minds active.

vegansrock

I live “down south” please don’t tar us with the same brush paddyann I think our system is just bonkers with titles, thrones, crowns, cushions and whatnot. As for the tourist idea, that is rubbish - France gets more tourists than the U.K. - as it the “everyone envies us” - of course they don’t otherwise all those republics would be copying us.

I live London borders, (Also in the South), and I certainly wouldn't cross the street to see any of them.

It's nothing that bothers me, although I think an elected HoS would be better, in a modern world.

I find it slightly nuts that people fawn and pander to people who are only there either through birth or marriage.

But, we'd have to pay out, whether it's a monarch or president, so while the majority want them, fair enough.

I think, with the younger generation, they are less and less relevant, so they will probably just slide into obscurity at some point in the future.

The tourism thing is neither here nor there, countries without monarchs get just as many visitors. History and buildings remain.

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Liverpool fans traditionally boo anything to do with the establishment at the start of big games, I believe. Its the first time the FA Cup has been in Liverpool since 2006 so they were going to boo, come what may.

I don't thinking booing is ever a good idea, but it's interesting to me that a "tradition" that has been ongoing since Thatcher is being framed, especially by the Daily Mail, as fans booing William and a choir of cancer sufferers. Its trying to demonise the Liverpool fans for doing something they've done for 40 years, and to make Royal Watchers believe that William was the perceived target of the protest, or at the very least that it was an even worse thing just because he was there.

I don't think he was bothered.

I also agree with paddyann

Agree with you Paddyann.

I don’t think the mob were booing William Smileless , I didn’t watch the match but doubt he was singing a hymn with
the choir ,they too were booed.

volver

See Aveline? See what I mean?

Yes, I do!

Not convinced the behaviour of some idiots at a football match is a useful barometer for measuring the popularity of of PW or the royal family, as they also booed a choir of cancer sufferers.

The didn't boo when he shook hands with the players and handed out the winners medals, which says even more about those Liverpool 'supporters'.

I live “down south” please don’t tar us with the same brush paddyann I think our system is just bonkers with titles, thrones, crowns, cushions and whatnot. As for the tourist idea, that is rubbish - France gets more tourists than the U.K. - as it the “everyone envies us” - of course they don’t otherwise all those republics would be copying us.

Thousands of fans booed
Rejected abroad, booed at home.
The laziest, boring, lackluster, hypocritical couple. #princewilliambooed

Booing a choir of cancer sufferers?! What is wrong with these people? They're the sick ones!

Reading the link it’s something which is done in Liverpool m
a choir of cancer suffers singing Abide With Me were treated the same

William wasn't too popular at the FA cup final last night. He, and the national anthem, were booed.

Not sure why, as he's only there to shake hands and present the cup to the winners.?

MPs and the Speaker have expressed their "outrage" - I'm also unsure as to what's it's got to do with politicians who gets booed at a football match though. ?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10816643/Prince-William-BOOED-Wembley-crowd-FA-Cup-Final.html

And nor do I wish volver to be banned for expressing her point of view.

I live down south, on the south coast, and I agree with the points you have made about the royal family paddyann.

Mollygo we'd pay a vast amount LESS than we do now .We'd pay for the President not the 18 other folk in "GRACE AND FAVOUR" homes or the multiple homes that some like Will and Kate have .
BUT its not all about money its about living in a country thats fairer ,where one family aren't treated like demi gods ,pampered and privileged NOT because they are extraordinary human beings with great talent or amazing skills .They are feted and fawned over just because of whose vagina they came down .
That is so wrong .On any level that is wrong because surely we have progressed since the middle ages when it was accepted and believed they had divine rights .
Meritocracy with someone who worked their way to the top instead of being handed the world on a plate is how we should be led.
Sadly it appears folk down south dont have faith in anyone BUT those born privileged and look what that landed us with Boris and hiis circus of inept ,incompetent Eton educated clowns .

In a great country like ours, with over sixty million people, we'll be spoilt for choice

But anyone with any sense won't want to do the job - who would volunteer?
We'd be left with the rest of the dubious candidates

Thanks Grany, so we’d swap one institution for another and still have to pay.

Mollygo

Grany The HoS is not elected or accountable to anyone ???
-so how will the HoS be appointed? Regardless of whether you’re anti monarchy or not . . .
What is the purpose of:
-Spending vast sums each time on deciding who will be HoS? (Or will it only be a select few who have a say in who gets the job?)
-Financing the dwelling place of the HoS?
-Funding the post, whether or not the person chosen is another person who knows how to work the system to preserve their existing wealth or a person who has or will develop nest-feathering skills?
-Providing security measures

I have tried to answer your questions one by one Millygo

-so how will the HoS be appointed? Regardless of whether you’re anti monarchy or not . . .
What is the purpose of:
-Spending vast sums each time on deciding who will be HoS? (Or will it only be a select few who have a say in who gets the job?)

A HoS can either be elected by the electorate, or nominated by and elected by our elected representatives.

-Financing the dwelling place of the HoS?
A president would have a small office and one official residence. The public wouldn’t fund their extended family or maintain multiple homes.

-Funding the post,
A president would receive an annual salary

-whether or not the person chosen is another person who knows how to work the system to preserve their existing wealth or a person who has or
will develop nest-feathering skills?

The RF know how to preserve and add to their existing wealth called Queen's consent
Once elected by the people the head of state is expected to abide by the rules that set out how they should behave. And would have to be accountable.

-Providing security measures

The Metropolitan police would provide security as with the Royals their security costs £104 million that they don't mention in their financial report.

Candidates may be people with successful careers in law, business, foreign affairs, teaching, science, or someone who has made a name for themselves championing a popular cause or running a big charity. In a great country like ours, with over sixty million people, we'll be spoilt for choice.