It's now or never for the planet

We'll all be blown up by the time it matters by stupid greedy dictators or religious fanatics. The Earth will regenerate we won't that's the grand scheme of things. We'll be like the dinosaurs.

There’s too many people using the worlds resources. Whatever we do won’t make much difference unless China and the like do, I do think however we’ve had so many different ages, plaques and wars, but now there’s more people in the world than in the whole history of the world. it will one day end, just yet I hope.

The prediction of cooling was based on the forecast that human emissions of aerosols would quadruple. They didn't. Hence...

I personally published what was wrong (with) my own original 1971 cooling hypothesis a few years later when more data and better models came along and further analysis showed [anthropogenic global warming] as the much more likely…” (Schneider quoted in Santer & Erlich (2014))

And now it's happening

I'm still waiting for the Ice Age that we were threatened with in the 70's

Either we adapt or this is going to finish us before global warming.

www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/apr/06/microplastics-found-deep-in-lungs-of-living-people-for-first-time

Of course some morons think climate change is a hoax but the science shows it is real and threatening disaster for future generations. But most politicians, whatever their rhetoric, don't really look beyond the next Election and they waste time and resources on eye-catching trivia or marginal issues. And people of a green disposition have sometimes been short-sighted and obstructive. Few politicians have any scientific knowledge or understanding beyond O level. I'm sorry for our successors but I'm glad I won't be around to see it.

Urmstongran I believe that modern dishwashers are so efficient that they use less energy and water than hand washing.

It's not just about climate change or net zero. It's about the amount of resources being used, the amount of waste, the amount of plastic in our oceans, the sewage in our waterways and the consumption of land and resources that wildlife need. We seem to be piling up a whole load of problems for the generations coming up after us.

To those who are sceptical about man made climate change or believe that until we all do it then there's no point any of us doing it I would ask do you worry about these other issues?

I think they are all connected.

Just remember that it isn't the planet which needs to be saved, it is our species and a lot of others. Presumably rats and cockroaches will survive and the planet itself will carry on spinning (as I think somebody has already said but I couldn't find it).

Urmstongran, your point about many wildfires having been started by arsonists is true, but the fact that they take hold so fast and are so difficult to control is often because of climate change having reduced the rainfall and allowed the wildfires' fuel to dry out. Perhaps woodland management needs to change to take account of that.

GrannyGravy13

Some uncalled for comments on this thread, part of living in a free country is that folks are entitled to hold their own opinions.

There are scientists who disagree with man made climate change no doubt they have their reasons.

People are entitled to hold their own opinions, but it doesn't mean they're valid in a serious debate.

Urmstongran

I wish one journalist, just one, would askBoris the following: 'If we achieve Net Zero in 2050 what affect will it have on global average temperatures?'

The answer is, none whatsoever.

Where on earth did you find evidence for that?

GrannyGravy13

P.S. I do agree with man made climate change, but respect others have the right to say what they think/feel.

I don't think it's a question of agreement, thinking or feeling. The facts are there. Of course different people will interpret them differently, but nobody can think or feel facts away.

IMO it's a fallacy that all people's thinking and feeling is equally valid.

volver

Its quite interesting that people think saving the planet means being frugal and giving things up. The business opportunities for moving to renewables, finding new ways of doing things and so on are immense. But there are too many vested interests stopping things from moving on.

Interesting too to compare this with the thread about how politics affects scientific belief...

Agreed!

It’s not going to be easy changing our ways, especially for those of us that have families overseas

volver

GrannyGravy13

volver

There are scientists who disagree with man made climate change no doubt they have their reasons.

Got a list?

Their reasons are that they are in the pay of Big Oil, or don't really understand what they are talking about. This I know for a fact.

Just googled there is a list with 85 named scientists including those from America, Australia and Norway.

Ohh, I found it.

One of them I've met, at least one of them is dead and one of them is Piers Corbyn. (Not telling you which one I've met.)

The list is also 3 years old.

Like I said, I do not agree with what they have to say, but others may well do so as they have an ology (to quote the great Maureen Lipman as Beatie)

Of course she is Gill, as am I, and you brought that knowledge of frequent flights onto this thread from another one... so I’m as ‘peculiar’ as you!

And you still haven’t addressed a genuine point.

Do we total up folks wastage of resources, deducting points here and there or do we stop making snide points about others choices?

GrannyGravy13

volver

There are scientists who disagree with man made climate change no doubt they have their reasons.

Got a list?

Their reasons are that they are in the pay of Big Oil, or don't really understand what they are talking about. This I know for a fact.

Just googled there is a list with 85 named scientists including those from America, Australia and Norway.

Ohh, I found it.

One of them I've met, at least one of them is dead and one of them is Piers Corbyn. (Not telling you which one I've met.)

The list is also 3 years old.

Pantglas2

“What? Are you following me from thread to thread? That's a bit creepy.”

As creepy as you following Urms, Gill? Else how would you know about her flight frequency!

And the answer to my question....?

Urmstongran is quite public about her life, her flat in Spain, many of us envy her! I am sure she doesn't need you to mention my gas and electric bills. How peculiar.

volver for the record I do not agree with what these scientists say, but they are out there , publishing and writing papers.

volver

^There are scientists who disagree with man made climate change no doubt they have their reasons.^

Got a list?

Their reasons are that they are in the pay of Big Oil, or don't really understand what they are talking about. This I know for a fact.

Just googled there is a list with 85 named scientists including those from America, Australia and Norway.

“What? Are you following me from thread to thread? That's a bit creepy.”

As creepy as you following Urms, Gill? Else how would you know about her flight frequency!

And the answer to my question....?

There are scientists who disagree with man made climate change no doubt they have their reasons.

Got a list?

Their reasons are that they are in the pay of Big Oil, or don't really understand what they are talking about. This I know for a fact.

P.S. I do agree with man made climate change, but respect others have the right to say what they think/feel.

No Urmstongran, this thread has not turned nasty, you have made statements which indicate that you are sceptical about what can be done about climate change and achieving net zero. Fair enough, and I share your concerns about what Britain can do versus what the developing world is doing, but you can't just accuse me of 'being nasty' because I have questioned your view. This is discussion forum, and I am expressing my view that there seems to be a link between those, like yourself, who dismissed experts and chose to vote for Brexit, and are now choosing to dismiss experts to back up your cynicism about the level of climate change, exacerbated, perhaps, by people taking frequent unneccessary flights among other things.

Some uncalled for comments on this thread, part of living in a free country is that folks are entitled to hold their own opinions.

There are scientists who disagree with man made climate change no doubt they have their reasons.

No, opposing views are not encouraged when one of the views is based purely on lack of knowledge and on hubris, and is just...wrong.

And it's how I feel. The environment is f***ed and the people with a stake in the future seem content to pretend there is some dubiety about what we need to do.