Goodness - golden boy Sunak now less popular than Starmer!

Correction: I love the phrase "greased piglet".

MayBee70

Whitewavemark2

I think this has a strong element if truth about it.

Jonathan Lis
@jonlis1
Sunak is the author of his own misfortune by being v Thatcherite and v bad at politics, but once again we see who’s good at it: the greased piglet in No 10. He is utterly ruthless and will take down anyone in his way. Prepare for sudden mysterious bad headlines about Liz Truss.

Yep!

"Yep" too - and I love the greased piglet.

What Mrs Sunak is doing is legal though it's not a good look for Rishi.

What Mrs Sunak has done is questionably 'legal'.

Rishi's fall from grace now must be manna from heaven for Boris as he looks towards the next election.

The longer Johnson is PM the greater the chance of the tories very comprehensively losing the next General Election. His incompetence, blatant freeloading, contempt for the law, even if made by him (partygate) and his consistent outright lying has thoroughly peed off an awful lot of voters.

I thought there were a few decent people still left in the Conservative party. Having said that, if they were that decent they would put country before party. What happened to all the letters calling for a vote of no confidence in Johnson?

MayBee70

MayBee70

I’m wondering if some of this is being instigated by some Conservatives themselves as part of Operation save big dog given that Sunak was becoming a danger to Johnson?

Like what I said. There’s something decidedly fishy smelling about what’s going on…

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They're all rotten to the core

MayBee70

I’m wondering if some of this is being instigated by some Conservatives themselves as part of Operation save big dog given that Sunak was becoming a danger to Johnson?

Like what I said. There’s something decidedly fishy smelling about what’s going on…

Whitewavemark2

I think this has a strong element if truth about it.

Jonathan Lis
@jonlis1
Sunak is the author of his own misfortune by being v Thatcherite and v bad at politics, but once again we see who’s good at it: the greased piglet in No 10. He is utterly ruthless and will take down anyone in his way. Prepare for sudden mysterious bad headlines about Liz Truss.

Yep!

I think callousness or (if I'm being kind) indifference would be better words than ruthlessness. And if you've missed those, I dare say you do miss a lot.

I daresay I miss a lot but I don't think I've noticed particular signs of ruthlessness in Rishi Sunak.

All wealth is relative. Because he has (even) more than other other members of his party doesn't mean he is an (even) less worthy person.

I don't recall him being prominent among the far right Brexit group, and if he shipped his business interests offshore that too passed me by.

Most of us take what steps we can (within the law) to avoid paying more tax than we need. There may even be people contributing to this very thread who have so arranged their affairs as to pay the minimum in inheritance tax. In fact my DH would be among them.

Who would people like to see replace RS?

We don’t know if she pays tax in India. But apparently her dividends are paid to her account in Mauritius which does not tax dividends. The point is she chooses tax avoidance in this country while being married to the British Chancellor and residing in public provided Downing Street

volver

The Tory mindset.

Although it is silly rhetoric to call it a moral duty I can't see anyway you can deal with tax than assuming people will legally pay as little as they can. Just look at the attractions of ISAs.

For me two things arise from this latest mess. Firstly, the Inland Revenue need to be following up on people using legal loopholes such as Non Dom status, not relying on people to tell you when they have changed their minds.

Secondly, we need a clean sweep of all tax avoidance laws. We can then start with a clean sheet that gives equality of taxation between earned and unearned income.

Lizzie44

What Mrs Sunak is doing is legal though it's not a good look for Rishi. The scandal is that these complex taxation rules are allowed to continue. Reform is long overdue but unlikely to happen any time soon.

Rishi annoys me with his ostentatious wealth. He has been photographed recently wearing trainers costing over £300. A couple of years ago he he was photographed with a "smart" heated coffee mug that cost nearly £200 and keeps his coffee at the right temperature for a couple of hours. OK, we get it - Rishi's a rich guy. Maybe he has a gold-plated lavvy seat - fine but I don't want to know about it.

Rishi's fall from grace now must be manna from heaven for Boris as he looks towards the next election.

But how do we know about these trainers and coffee mug? Maybe because the press tell us about it? I certainly would have no idea what things were worth and quite honestly I really couldn't care less. I just think they've got more money than sense but I don't envy them, denigrate them, etc.
What I think is sad on this thread is that if you happen to disagree with the naysayers, you are accused of not having a moral compass. Having a different point of view does not mean you are immoral.

Must admit the “greased piglet” description made me giggle!
Oink.
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Indeed - turns out his wife as a non dom pays no or very little tax at all - despite all her wealth/ & 3 houses in the UK , she has no intentions to stay here. Wow- something is rotten in the woodpile and stinks / they take us all for fools

What Mrs Sunak is doing is legal though it's not a good look for Rishi. The scandal is that these complex taxation rules are allowed to continue. Reform is long overdue but unlikely to happen any time soon.

Rishi annoys me with his ostentatious wealth. He has been photographed recently wearing trainers costing over £300. A couple of years ago he he was photographed with a "smart" heated coffee mug that cost nearly £200 and keeps his coffee at the right temperature for a couple of hours. OK, we get it - Rishi's a rich guy. Maybe he has a gold-plated lavvy seat - fine but I don't want to know about it.

Rishi's fall from grace now must be manna from heaven for Boris as he looks towards the next election.

Whitewavemark2

I think this has a strong element if truth about it.

Jonathan Lis
@jonlis1
Sunak is the author of his own misfortune by being v Thatcherite and v bad at politics, but once again we see who’s good at it: the greased piglet in No 10. He is utterly ruthless and will take down anyone in his way. Prepare for sudden mysterious bad headlines about Liz Truss.

As I said on t’other thread…. All very House of Cards.

I think this has a strong element if truth about it.

Jonathan Lis
@jonlis1
Sunak is the author of his own misfortune by being v Thatcherite and v bad at politics, but once again we see who’s good at it: the greased piglet in No 10. He is utterly ruthless and will take down anyone in his way. Prepare for sudden mysterious bad headlines about Liz Truss.

When i was studying UK taxation law, many moons ago, and fulminating about how a married women's income was treated as her husband's for tax purposes, I was none too gently informed that taxation rules are not fair (and not really intended to be fair) -- their purpose is to raise funds for the government.
Although there have been reforms since then, there is still much to be done on questions of non-domiciled and non resident people, tax havens and the super-rich in general.
Both Tory and Labour governments, past, present and future could and should do more. I won't hold my breath.
Recently we were holidaying in a large French city and were idly reading adverts for some new properties being built. They had three price levels -- one, the lowest, for local people, the next for other French residents and the third for foreign investors. It was the local council making those rules, and not the developers. Seems fair enough.

Ii think I read that the idea is that she will go and look after her parents at some point.

Regarding the sale of council houses and the shortage of social housing stock. Thatcher forbade councils from using the money from the sale of the houses to build new ones. A purely political move to get votes. Pulled up the ladder and now we have the absolute mess we find the housing situation in. Even if you make a fortune on selling, whatever you buy will also be inflated, unless downsizing or moving to a cheaper area.
Housing is to house the people of this country, NOT a political tool or an investment. Housing is a right like food, water and air not the luck of the throw of the dice.

Nothing wrong with retirement abroad, I really wish I had when I had the chance.

Some people feel sufficiently little link to the UK that they arrange with HMRC to pay elsewhere (in her case the suggestion is Mauritius). This requires an active step on her part.

In the Today programme the minister put up to defend them says she plans to return to live there. So either they are getting divorced or Sunak plans to emigrate after he has finished ruining Britain!

Do you think a Chancellor or any politician should have to experience poverty in order to do their job?

If so, perhaps all midwife’s should go through pregnancy and child birth before qualifying, all orthopaedic Dr’s experience broken bones etc…

Meh, look at the Royal Family.
www.townandcountrymag.com/society/money-and-power/a34242784/queen-elizabeth-royal-family-tax-breaks/

www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/dec/14/prince-charles-estate-tax-avoidance

Why is a private citizen attacked? Her father, who was an engineering graduate from a middle class family founded Infosys, with some other people with $250 in 1981. Her mother was also an engineer, who invested in the company. I wonder if she was American and her father was Elon Musk , the founder of Google, whether people will be complaining about it, and insisting her share of Google should be taxed.

I don't think she has given £12million from her untaxed wealth to her son to save him from sexual assault claims. Also she is not hiding her wealth in the Cayman Islands like Rees Mogg, the Queen and Prince Charles who benefit from the law of only being taxed on remittances to the UK. Murthy's wealth is clearly seen and not hidden. She is using the tax laws available to her, and she is not in government. People like the Queen, the Barclay Brothers (owners of the Daily Telegraph - great supporters of Brexit ) do not pay their fair share of tax, and hide their wealth.
And what about Rees Mogg who moved his funds to Ireland after preaching Brexit, and has millions on Cayman Islands? He is only taxed on remittances to the UK.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-41880153

Anyway, the tax laws are unfair, and people like Rees Moggs voted not to change them.