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Goodness - golden boy Sunak now less popular than Starmer!

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Urmstongran Wed 06-Apr-22 20:05:05

How the tide can turn eh?

That's pretty impressive for a 'Tory' chancellor. Less popular than a useless, kneeling, Labour leader. We He's had some pretty stiff competition from his own party too.

pce612 Fri 08-Apr-22 12:36:35

Time for a change in the law about non-doms - if you live here for more than a year you pay taxes here.
Same for big corporations - taxes paid on any profits on purchases made in this country regardless of where the mother ship is registered.

Dillonsgranma Fri 08-Apr-22 12:33:24

It really wouldn’t kill her ti pay tax on her other income in gb. Her children go to school here . She lives in a grace and favour house. She is richer than the Queen apparently. Just greedy

Dinahmo Fri 08-Apr-22 12:28:44

Maizie Thanks for explaining the difference between residence and domicile. I've just come on this morning and was girding my loins to do so and you've saved me the trouble.

Urmstongram If, as a UK resident with income abroad, you are taxed at source on that income in the country in which it arises. You then receive a credit for the foreign tax against your UK income.

Anyone previously employed by the UK state, such as teachers, even if they live abroad, is taxed by the UK on their employment pension (this does not include the state retirement pension). That same pension has to be declared in their country of residence. At which point the DDTs come into play.

madmum38 Fri 08-Apr-22 12:26:35

She doesn’t pay tax here but was quite happy to use furlong cash.
www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/sunaks-non-dom-wife-claimed-hundreds-of-thousands-of-pounds-in-furlough-cash-318605/amp/?fbclid=IwAR2mrQ56G1kDT1_SJRGJJGz9s9zQNJEwmEL5rm2CwtW9ZUxskIsRrUYMPDI

DaisyAnne Fri 08-Apr-22 12:24:14

Urmstongran

In my opinion - What Sunak needs to get to grips with is this: he’s inured to tax and cost of living rises, almost all the rest of us are not.

So, when he says we have to suck it up, it really doesn’t sit well. When he has the means to make our lives less expensive, and doesn’t yet still splurges our money on non-essential things like ‘net-zero’ and HS2, the kind of things that could have money wasted on them when the sun was shining, it also doesn’t sit well.

Bottom line, a really, really rich person telling us he needs more of our money to spend on things we don’t need or want grates very badly.

I think it would be hard to say that the Conservatives are accustomed (inured) to low taxes, Urmstongran. It is far more complicated than that, although that is certainly what they would have us believe. They would also have us believe that Labour is profligate when it comes to taxes. This too is exaggerated.

For example, the rise in tax and spending under Harold Wilson in the 1960s had already begun under Harold Macmillan's Conservative government. There are many other, similar examples that disprove the Tory line.

It is simply the culture war the Conservatives rely on and has never been as true as the propaganda would have us believe. However, it seems that with the MSM behind them, rather like Putin, the Conservatives have never had a problem persuading the masses.

growstuff Fri 08-Apr-22 12:20:41

Spec1alk

My husband was non dom for 6 years as all his work was done in Saudi Arabia and his salary was taxed there. He spent his time between Saudi and The UK. Once his work was back in the UK his tax was taken in the UK. This is normal.

I don't think that's the same as non-dom.

GoldenAge Fri 08-Apr-22 12:14:39

Well it perfectly legal but whether it's moral is another matter, and whether it's moral when her husband is colluding with a Tory government to perpetuate the need for nurses and teachers to have to use foodbanks is definitely a question I can answer with a resounding no.

The situation will only change when people who live in council houses and use the NHS realise where those benefits came from and stop voting Tory when they feel they've come up in the world.

Spec1alk Fri 08-Apr-22 12:10:52

My husband was non dom for 6 years as all his work was done in Saudi Arabia and his salary was taxed there. He spent his time between Saudi and The UK. Once his work was back in the UK his tax was taken in the UK. This is normal.

Grany Fri 08-Apr-22 12:10:38

The good law project in an interview said. She has done nothing wrong it's legal but as a chancellor dealing with tax you can't enforce rules for the people on non Dom if wife is non Dom or words to that affect.

growstuff Fri 08-Apr-22 11:59:25

knspol

It's perfectly legal to declare non dom status. She's a citizen of India and pays her taxes from Indian companies in India. She apparently has dual citizenship with UK and pays UK tax on her UK earnings. She is also a private citizen even though married to the Chancellor and wherever the pair of them decide to offer their charitable donations is entirely up to them. Nobody knows where else any other donations may have been made. Some of these statements do smack a little of envy, lets just give them a break.

No, she doesn't have dual citizenship.

PamelaJ1 Fri 08-Apr-22 11:50:17

icanhandthemback

Mrs Sunak is doing nothing wrong. She is not a politician and can do this without breaking the law. If the politicians don't like this (and this has been allowed for years and years) then the law should be changed.
Most people do not pay the maximum amount of tax they possibly can, will claim the various allowances and moan about any tax increases but get very offended when other people try to limit their tax bills. These loopholes can be closed and our energies should be put in to campaigning for them to closed rather than criticising the people using them.

Absolutely agree.
I don’t like it though.

knspol Fri 08-Apr-22 11:49:09

It's perfectly legal to declare non dom status. She's a citizen of India and pays her taxes from Indian companies in India. She apparently has dual citizenship with UK and pays UK tax on her UK earnings. She is also a private citizen even though married to the Chancellor and wherever the pair of them decide to offer their charitable donations is entirely up to them. Nobody knows where else any other donations may have been made. Some of these statements do smack a little of envy, lets just give them a break.

Granny1810 Fri 08-Apr-22 11:48:35

Hardly useless when he is shining a light on the hypocracy and curruption from the current incumbents.

Amalegra Fri 08-Apr-22 11:41:34

It’s perfectly legal but not very diplomatic like many of the current day utterances by wealthy politicians. Loopholes like this should be closed for everyone. The Labour Party has their fair share of hidden assets too which of course Keir is not mentioning. I can quite understand the Chancellor’s wife not wanting to lose the citizenship of her birth country-I know I wouldn’t ! But she is a very wealthy woman, perhaps she should pay for the privilege of living here? I think that WE all do largely without options. India may ‘need’ her not inconsiderable taxes, but with the vast amount of corruption in that Russia loving country as well as the £50 odd million in aid we are giving them this year, I am sure they could manage with a little less!

CoolCoco Fri 08-Apr-22 11:40:57

I think her position is to do with us, as the wife of a prominent minister will have some influence on him, and even his not he no doubts benefits from her money. You can be certain he won't be lobbying to close this particular tax loophole from which he directly benefits.

HannahLoisLuke Fri 08-Apr-22 11:37:09

Pantglas2

It’ll be the same people who didn’t have a good word to say about him even when they were grabbing all that furlough money.

I have friends who bought their council houses and still hate Thatcher for depleting social housing stock!

Bet some of them later sold same council houses at market rates. It’s so easy to be holier than thou.
Anyway Sunak’s wife isn’t a public figure and her tax affairs are nothing to do with us.

Grantanow Fri 08-Apr-22 11:35:42

But it is said both Sunaks held US green immigration cards (which is conditional on intending to live and pay tax there) until a year in or so after he became a Minister so how can she say (in support of her non-dom chosen status) that she intends India to be her final resting place? It the usual one rule for them and one rule for the little people.

Rosalyn69 Fri 08-Apr-22 11:28:08

I meant I agree with “icanhandthdmback”

Rosalyn69 Fri 08-Apr-22 11:27:34

I agree with the above poster.
It won’t make anyones situation better by penalising her. She’s not the politician.
I wonder how many other people “fiddle” their taxes?

spabbygirl Fri 08-Apr-22 11:27:09

Its one rule for them another for us isn't it? Keir is just playing it safe, I want the headlines reserved for Tory crap, they are so good at filling them now we are getting to know what a load of cheats they are!

icanhandthemback Fri 08-Apr-22 11:17:49

Mrs Sunak is doing nothing wrong. She is not a politician and can do this without breaking the law. If the politicians don't like this (and this has been allowed for years and years) then the law should be changed.
Most people do not pay the maximum amount of tax they possibly can, will claim the various allowances and moan about any tax increases but get very offended when other people try to limit their tax bills. These loopholes can be closed and our energies should be put in to campaigning for them to closed rather than criticising the people using them.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 08-Apr-22 11:17:47

Urmstongran

But I suppose she pays her taxes to India.... should she be taxed twice?

That is an issue with which we -the U.K. need to get a grip.

We have become the biggest tax avoidance go to in the western world.

The vastly wealthy use the U.K. domicile law to avoid paying as much tax as possible.

Nothing illegal of course, but very questionable from the moral perspective.

Happygirl79 Fri 08-Apr-22 11:14:23

MissAdventure

It's not peoples wealth, really.
It's the ways and means they find to ensure they get to keep it, whilst denying others the basics of life.

This. I totally agree. You have it in a nutshell

Daisend1 Fri 08-Apr-22 11:13:38

What can you possibly do with that amount of money?

vegansrock Fri 08-Apr-22 10:57:23

She pays a smaller % of her income on tax than most of us.