"Let me tell you about the very rich. They are different from you and me."

There just should not be any super rich individuals. It isn’t good for them.
That’s a pretty frightening statement which I could imagine coming from John McDonnell’s mouth.
Vive la revolution?

I agree with you GSM.

We all take advantage of schemes that are available to us.

What makes me boggle is that the wealthiest people are the ones most likely to take advantage of schemes designed by rich people to keep rich people rich. How greedy!

Surely, if you are an honourable person when you get to a certain level of financial security you would think now is the opportunity to pay back, to invest in the present and future of others with less advantages than you. Time now to invest in infrastructure and projects to make society better in general. I'm not sure when that point arises, but you've got to be thinking about it when you have three houses, staff, successful businesses, several hundred million in the bank and children in top public schools with access to private medical treatment.

The comfortable rich have least need of schemes and loopholes to avoid paying tax. Tax is only a proportion of earned income - you only pay it if you have it and you get to keep plenty for yourself.

To use or condone the use by family members of these methods of absolving the duty to pay our way fairly (not legally, but fairly and with charitable intent) says something about a person which does not sit right with my idea of someone who becomes an MP in order to serve their country and make society a better place for all.

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2 there has been no appetite to make significant changes to the tax laws by any Government. This does need to be looked at, but I doubt any of the present cohort (whatever colour of their rosette) will do anything.

As long as the due taxes are paid, what else do you suggest the super rich do?

If they were to make significant donations to charity they would be pulled up for that by some.

Well, they could decide to pay tax in the U.K. rather than ship their wealth off shore or claim Non-dom status etc. The point is that the wealthy have lots of choices that we do not have.

We are known as the launderette of the world acting as a butler (see Oliver Bullough) for the downright criminal, kleptocrats and oligarchs, and yet they are courted, have access to the top of society and have influenced governments. Even made Lords!

This must stop.

I find the hypocrisy breathtaking.

You don’t have to be ‘very rich’ to be treated as an individual for tax purposes. Every person liable to pay UK tax is treated as an individual.
As regards household income being considered for benefits purposes, wouldn’t there be an outcry if the spouse of a high earner were paid UC? That could easily happen if household income were not taken into account.
As regards the so-called cut in UC, GrannyGravy says it all. How many ordinary working people received a permanent £20 pw wage increase during the pandemic?

Well communism doesn’t work either.
Look at Venezuela. Mind you Corbyn was impressed ...

There just should not be "super rich" individuals. Full stop.
It isn't good for them and it certainly isn't good for everyone else.

As for being in positions of power - that doesn't sit comfortably at all.

Even my DMiL has come round to realising we need a more equal society and having been a Tory voter for much of her 97 years, that is saying something.

Whitewavemark2 there has been no appetite to make significant changes to the tax laws by any Government. This does need to be looked at, but I doubt any of the present cohort (whatever colour of their rosette) will do anything.

As long as the due taxes are paid, what else do you suggest the super rich do?

If they were to make significant donations to charity they would be pulled up for that by some.

Wealth made legally is not a crime.

gg13

The law needs changing. What we want is fairness. I want everyone who lives in the U.K. to have a stake in all its institutions, like defence, law, education, health etc. At present the very wealthy can reside here but not contribute fairly to maintaining these institutions that make the U.K. a reasonable place in which to live.

They gain all the benefits from the rule of law etc but only contribute a tiny percentage of their wealth - compared to the average person, but at the same time have access to those in power to influence the law makers for their own benefit.

Democracy is done no favours and we are as a result a poorer country.

DaisyAnne you do not have to be rich to feel entitled

So, GG13 nothing can change when circumstances change. I didn't think there was a law that said once the mighty Sunak has said it was temporary, he could not do a U-turn. After all, this government has had a great deal of practice in getting it wrong the first time and having to put it right.

You don't seem to understand what I said in the OP. I was not suggesting that they were doing anything illegal - where did you think I was? It wasn't about illegality. I suggested they believe they are entitled.

They are not untouchable. It's just that someone has to want to do the touching - and it won't be the Sunaks of this world, will it?

Good post GG13 ?

What Rishi Sunak and his wife have or do not have has no bearing on decisions made with the Governments purse strings. Quite honestly, Rishi and his wife have done nothing wrong and it really is none of our business. What would anyone do if they were fortunate enough to be in their position? We all take advantage of schemes that are available to us.

F. Scott Fitzgerald ‘All The Sad Young Men’.

As he goes on to say, they possess and enjoy early and it does something to them.

They don’t understand what it’s like to be poor and they never will.

Mr. Sunak has not cut Universal Credit the £20 uplift was given over the various lockdowns of the last two years. It was said at the time that this was temporary.

I am sure that there is a scheme whereby a non-working wife/husband can transfer some of their tax allowance to the other.

It is not the super rich that are at fault it is the system, which successive Governments have not amended, that’s all Governments, Conservative, Conservative/Lib Dem coalition and Labour.

As long as the so called super rich are not doing anything illegal they remain untouchable…