Will you vote Tory next time?

Germanshepherdsmum

Whitewavemark2

Imagine that you decided to vote for the biggest liar, most corrupt and criminal party leader we have ever had, because the opposition leader, didn’t mention (apparently- we shall see) that his father owned a small business, whilst working as a tool maker.

Don’t be daft. I voted for Blair but unless Labour returns to what it was under him I shall continue to vote Conservative. Whoever is then the leader.

I’m not aware I mentioned you

Robert Peston, worth quoting in full:

‘The police have today concluded that Boris Johnson, the chancellor and the PM’s wife all attended illegal parties that breached Covid laws written by the PM.

This is most serious for the prime minister of the three of them, because it was he who told MPs on December 8 that he had been “repeatedly assured” there were no parties and that no Covid rules were broken.

He now has the challenge of his life to prove that he did not wilfully and knowingly mislead MPs - because if he did deliberately mislead MPs then he has no choice but to resign under the code of conduct for ministers, which he signed off and approved in keeping with normal practice on becoming PM.

This is perhaps the most important test of the robustness and efficacy of the checks and balances in the British constitution of my lifetime.

If Tory MPs unthinkingly keep him in office without a proper and public assessment of how Parliament was misled, because that is what suits them, and if they blithely ignore the ministerial code, then the charge will stick that this or any party with a big majority is simply an elected dictatorship, and the constitution means little or nothing.

This is not just a slippery slope. It is the bottom of the slope.’

Germanshepherdsmum

I do applaud a self made man Casdon, I certainly do. But why try to give the impression that his father was a humble factory hand, why not say he’d built up a small business? As kitty says, why hide it? Achievement is something to be proud of. At least Javid (sp?) was entirely honest when he kept telling us his father was a bus driver.

I expect you'll be telling us next that the Labour Party doesn't encourage aspiration.

That Starmer's father had his own small business is not news to those who have taken any interest in the Labour leadership. It's not even as though he was a bloated capitalist with a massive factory full of poorly paid workers...

Whitewavemark2

Imagine that you decided to vote for the biggest liar, most corrupt and criminal party leader we have ever had, because the opposition leader, didn’t mention (apparently- we shall see) that his father owned a small business, whilst working as a tool maker.

Don’t be daft. I voted for Blair but unless Labour returns to what it was under him I shall continue to vote Conservative. Whoever is then the leader.

People who work in factories are generally very skilled at what they do!

But Keir Starmer is leader of the Labour Party. The leaders can change but the ethos remains. I suppose one good thing is that he isn't Jeremy Corbyn but the next Labour leader might be of that ilk.

And how flipping awful that would be!

Germanshepherdsmum

I do applaud a self made man Casdon, I certainly do. But why try to give the impression that his father was a humble factory hand, why not say he’d built up a small business? As kitty says, why hide it? Achievement is something to be proud of. At least Javid (sp?) was entirely honest when he kept telling us his father was a bus driver.

He was entirely honest in the same way as Keir Starmer, by omitting to mention that his father later was a small business man after his spell as a bus driver.

✅ Enriched Tory donors
✅ Devasted living standards
✅ Broke criminal law
✅ Lied about it to Parliament
✅ Buggered up Brexit
✅ Cut real wages
✅ Put a security risk into Lords
✅ Huge pandemic death toll
✅ Broke promise on energy prices

Johnson's achievements in full.

Witzend

Is anyone on GN ever going to admit to it, even if they are? And face all the lambasting from the righteous ones?

Personally I rather wish there’d be a Monster Raving Loony candidate at the next GE - I did vote for one of those once, when I couldn’t face putting my X for any of the others, but I’d never not vote.

I can’t vote LibDem or Green while they still can’t or won’t accept what a woman is. Ditto Labour for the same reason, but they invariably come nowhere in this constituency anyway.

Read the thread . Some have said yes.

Imagine that you decided to vote for the biggest liar, most corrupt and criminal party leader we have ever had, because the opposition leader, didn’t mention (apparently- we shall see) that his father owned a small business, whilst working as a tool maker.

Grantanow

All our political class are of poor quality and my Tory MP has committed himself for mental care. I may as well vote for the Monster Raving Loonies.

I may be wrong Grantanow, but I'm guessing that your MP is no longer a Tory MP, having had the whip withdrawn, because three different women have accused him of sexual harrassment, there is strong evidence of his use of Class A drugs and he borrowed money from a dodgy Russian considered unfit to be involved in finance.

If I have guessed correctly, do you think he should resign and allow for a by election in the constituency?

If I have guessed wrong, I apologise.

I do applaud a self made man Casdon, I certainly do. But why try to give the impression that his father was a humble factory hand, why not say he’d built up a small business? As kitty says, why hide it? Achievement is something to be proud of. At least Javid (sp?) was entirely honest when he kept telling us his father was a bus driver.

Well, I googled.

Starmer's father owned the company he worked at on the factory floor. However the company does not appear to be listed in the annals of Company House so he could well have been a sole trader, or it was a very small company. So Starmer Snr would have been a self made man who worked hard as a toolmaker his whole life to provide for his ill wife and four children.

Shocking, isn't it?

I hadn't heard that gsm but, if true why hide it.

I used to vote Tory but my conscience won't allow me to now. I didn't vote for them at the last election.
I live in Wales and we are Labour here. I am not happy about them either.
I feel politically homeless these days and have no faith in the two main parties.

I voted for Brexit and conservative in the last election/s but I won’t be voting for them again. My husband is still pro Brexit and conservative, despite our sons both moving abroad as a consequence of Brexit, but he is lazy. Now that Brexit is done I doubt he will vote again.
My vote will be wasted though unless I research tactical voting for my area.
The news re Boris Johnson’s fine today really wound me up. Close relatives were buried without mourners because of covid. And that corruption clown was taking us all for mugs.

Germanshepherdsmum

I agree about Labour. Won’t forget Kier Starmer banging on about his father being a tool maker in a factory but omitting to mention that he owned said factory.

Of all posters on Gransnet GSM I would have expected you to applaud a self made man.

Well I'm in NI, but if I could vote I would go with what Luckygirl says. I can not believe anyone would still vote Tory.
I don't see the point in spoiling a vote or not voting. How does that achieve anything?

BlueBelle

So you vote or don’t vote for the man not the party GSM!
Absolutely no hope for this country

I vote for the party in general elections, for the man in local ones. This is a staunch Conservative stronghold anyway.
Btw the question was asked and I answered it. I didn’t ask for abuse.

Granny23

My father always said that the Conservatives were a more honest party than Labour because they 'did what it said on the tin'. He meant that their purpose/aim was to CONSERVE - money, inheritance, property, status, power - for those who had something to conserve and this they did. Whereas Labour who were supposed to represent the working classes and originally did. was from the 60s taken over by intellectual, silver spoon, middle class 'socialists' who had never done a day's hard graft for a minimum (or less) wage.

The candidates they put up locally were all University educated and had since graduating, mainly worked as lecturers, assistants to Labour MPs or as Union executives. They had no experience of ordinary, 'coal face' working, nor had they experienced extreme poverty in their childhoods. Their policies were obviously designed to appeal to and aimed at the 'middle classes' who were much more likely to vote than those struggling, with hardship, low wages, disabilities, unemployment, etc.

Whoa...

Nothing like trotting out a whole page of generalisations.

I particularly like the scorn about candidates being university graduates.

Perhaps your father never noticed that working class people managed to go to university as well. The post WW2 decades saw a steady increase in access to higher education, and we got free uni education and maintenance grants. And people from working class backgrounds even managed to get into top jobs...

I don't know about anyone else, but my father died 50 years ago. A lovely man, but I don't think I'd be judging political parties by his 'experience' when I've had plenty of my own since then...

At times like these, wonder whether we would not have been better off staying in France. MlP is not really likely to become President is she? But costs are rising there too and not everything is greener on the other side of the fence perhaps...

Of course not - it would be insanity. No government has ever devalued our democracy and parliamentary processes in the way this bunch has. And now they are trying to gag Channel 4 - where will it all end?

Who will I vote for? - I will vote for whoever stands the best chance of ousting the sitting Tory candidate in my area. Who they might be matters not.

So you vote or don’t vote for the man not the party GSM!
Absolutely no hope for this country

I agree about Labour. Won’t forget Kier Starmer banging on about his father being a tool maker in a factory but omitting to mention that he owned said factory.

My father always said that the Conservatives were a more honest party than Labour because they 'did what it said on the tin'. He meant that their purpose/aim was to CONSERVE - money, inheritance, property, status, power - for those who had something to conserve and this they did. Whereas Labour who were supposed to represent the working classes and originally did. was from the 60s taken over by intellectual, silver spoon, middle class 'socialists' who had never done a day's hard graft for a minimum (or less) wage.

The candidates they put up locally were all University educated and had since graduating, mainly worked as lecturers, assistants to Labour MPs or as Union executives. They had no experience of ordinary, 'coal face' working, nor had they experienced extreme poverty in their childhoods. Their policies were obviously designed to appeal to and aimed at the 'middle classes' who were much more likely to vote than those struggling, with hardship, low wages, disabilities, unemployment, etc.