Will you vote Tory next time?

Germanshepherdsmum

We’re talking about local elections aren’t we? Not parliamentary ones.

Even in local elections it is possible to make a difference with tactical voting.

Look at the composition of your council. If you are voting in the same council area and you think the ruling party had done a good job, then you should support them,

If you want to get rid of that ruling party, you must look atr past election results and opinion polls if there are any and vote for the party most likely to beat the party which has done a bad job.

I agree Luckygirl3. As you say they are still supporting BJ.

We’re talking about local elections aren’t we? Not parliamentary ones.

I really do think that tactical voting is the only way forwards.

The danger to our democracy is now so great, that the only way is to vote for the party that, in your constituency, stands the greatest chance of beating a Tory candidate, never mind if some other bod might make a better constituency MP. That pales into insignificance when you are defending the rule of law, parliamentary procedures and democracy itself.

Our Tory MP is a good constituency MP but he is still, at least tacitly, supporting BJ and his immoral cronies, so he will not get my vote.

We have Assembly elections soon. Here's hoping people think this time. I think It will be interesting if SF get First Minister. DUP are very nervous. (Sorry OP, off topic)

Which candidate will do the best job for your community effalump? That’s the only question in a local election or you risk getting someone who is totally ineffective in dealing with local issues. To hell with the party they support, this isn’t a general election. I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve said the local Lib Dem man, who really gets things done, gets my vote but I would never vote LD in a general election

GrannyGravy13

I have come to the decision not to reveal how I vote ever again, I put my cross on the ballot paper in private, and private it shall remain.

Likewise, although there may well be suggestions that I mean I have voted for the “wrong” party if I don’t declare my vote. One B-i-L uses that accusation all the time. It really bugs him that we won’t discuss voting.

There lies the dilemma. I won't vote for Tories, Labour or Libdems, so I'll probably have to flip a coin to go with either Reform or Reclaim if they are represented in my area.

I have come to the decision not to reveal how I vote ever again, I put my cross on the ballot paper in private, and private it shall remain.

Well..... for good or for ill, I've posted off my ballot paper today. Not an easy decision but relieved it's done.

Lucca

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That’s most likely what happened!

Mollygo

Was Labour an effective opposition before the Johnson administration?

Evidently people didn’t believe so. That’s why Tories got in.

Not so sure about that. According to some people, they blocked Brexit, which is why Johnson was voted in (to "get Brexit done"). So the opposition did what nearly half of those who voted in the referendum wanted. However, when it came to the crunch, people couldn't bring themselves to vote for Corbyn.

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Was Labour an effective opposition before the Johnson administration?

Evidently people didn’t believe so. That’s why Tories got in.

Germanshepherdsmum

Was Labour an effective opposition before the Johnson administration? I think not.

They certainly weren’t when Corbyn was leader, because, in general, he surrounded himself by his fellow momentum MP’s who were quite inexperienced ( much like Johnson is doing now except his cabinet isn’t inexperienced, just clueless) We need a strong opposition as much as we need a competent government.

Germanshepherdsmum

Was Labour an effective opposition before the Johnson administration? I think not.

You mean when a whole lot of different people were in charge of Labour?

What about, what about....

Was Labour an effective opposition before the Johnson administration? I think not.

It must be very hard to be an effective opposition when the people you are up against are born liars who have a lifetime's experience of lying and getting away with it. How do you oppose people who lie constantly, break their own rules, make constant Uturns, appear to have control over swathes of the press and have massive funding from Russian donors. The Tory party create a chaotic atmosphere that even their own leader admits freely he cultivates in order to deceive.

It must also be very difficult to be in opposition when some very vociferous supporters of the party in power believe all their lies and will excuse and defend any level of appalling behaviour.

Against this the Labour party have been relentless in questioning but very rarely receive anything other than lies or deflection. How do you deal with that?

The system only works if all behave honourably with respect for the law and the truth. The Conservatives do not do that.

volver

Maybe its a Tory thing? You know, a deflection thing?

Yes, but Scotland!!

Yes but trans!!

Yup

We can respect everyone's rights

Also the changes that protected the rights of trans people in the equality act came in under the tories

So Labour respecting government legislation then lol

Unlike the actual tories in power lol

Johnson does it every week at PMQs. He can't answer the questions so he attacks the opposition, usually by telling lies. And he gets away with it. Surely it is time the Speaker put a stop to it?

volver

Maybe its a Tory thing? You know, a deflection thing?

Yes, but Scotland!!

Yes but trans!!

True

Maybe its a Tory thing? You know, a deflection thing?

Yes, but Scotland!!

Yes but trans!!

Oh please not a re-run of this again!

We’ve aired all that, so let’s get onto something new.

volver please give me one example of them being an effective opposition and to have made a difference? I certainly can’t find one.
Kier Starmer in theDM:
Harry Potter author JK Rowling - who has been vocal on her views on transgender people and biological sex - said earlier this month that the Labour leader could 'no longer be counted on to defend women's rights'.

It came after Starmer told The Times* 'trans women are women'* according to statute in the UK, and called for a more 'considered, respectful, tolerant debate' about gender.

He insisted he and his party have been defending the rights of women for a 'long, long time'.

'I spent a lot of my working life dealing with violence against women and girls first-hand, and I know from that experience just how important it is to fight for women and fight for equality,' he said.

'We have had legislation in this country which makes it clear that, in some circumstances, particularly at the moment under the law when you've gone through a process, you can be recognised in the gender of your choosing - that's been the position for over a decade now.'

Starmer said the law needs 'reform', adding: 'But I equally - I want to be really clear about this - I am an advocate of safe spaces for women.'

Labour frontbenchers Yvette Cooper and Anneliese Dodds both struggled to answer questions on the issue this month.

Shadow home secretary Ms Cooper refused three times to define what a woman is and told Times Radio she was 'not going to get into rabbit holes on this'.

Ms Dodds, Labour's shadow minister for women and equalities, was asked the same question on BBC Radio 4's Women's Hour and said there were 'different definitions legally' and added: 'I think it does depend what the context is, surely.'

He also refused to deny that women can have penises for heaven’s sake!

Germanshepherdsmum

volver

It's like a broken record.

True though?

And a stopped clock is right twice a day.

And other such trite comments.