Partygate

And the fact is he doesn’t think that rules and regulations have to apply to him. Or that he has to tell the truth. He has made a career out of lying. Over and over again.

Apparently there are 6 occasions where Johnson broke the law and attended a party. And then lied to parliament about it.

This is the second tranche of fines; there are no doubt many more to be announced (as the police work through each of the 16 parties) - it appears that the Birthday party/gathering was not the only party Johnson attended - we will see. But to get things in proportion Paperstream the thing that is inexcusable and upsetting about the whole debacle is THE LIES, lots of them! It takes someone without a trace of honour or integrity to lie to The Queen, never mind the rest of the country. A highly competent government Paperstream - sorry, but I laughed out loud at that! There is absolutely no excuse for Johnson's behaviour. None.

Write and thank him.

Serial offenders.

They absolutely HAVE to resign or we are reduced to ‘banana republic’ status

Nigel Mills Tory MP has announced that Johnson needs to resign. How can we support him best ?

There are local elections in many places on 5th May, so if, as looks likely, he refuses to go, all the opposition candidates will be able to remind voters that he has broken his own rules and lied repeatedly. Neither Boris Johnson nor the Tory party can be trusted. We can only hope that will damage his party's prospects enough for him to be pushed out.

^Whitewavemark2

But he lied to parliament.

The ministerial code was broken. ^

???Exactly! The leader of our democratic country is a proven liar!!! How can we trust him? What else will he lie to parliament about? It beggars belief that people are willing to put up with this. We criticise Putin for only telling the Russian people what he wants them to know! I rest my case…

I think fines for more parties plus the local election results might yet cause Tory MPs to do the right thing and get rid of him.
Just out of interest, do people who think Johnson should stay because of Ukraine think that Neville Chamberlain should have stayed on as Prime Minister in 1940?

Written to my MP who happens to be the Attorney General.

I am willing to place a significant wager that she will NOT uphold the law.

The fine for Boris (and Rishi) that we've just heard about is probably just the first event Boris attended that was against the rules.
There'll be at least one more event, probably still being looked at by the police, for which he will be fined again.
As Mamie has just said, why would the police have fined him for nothing?
A Government that fails to obey its own laws should hang their heads in shame but this lot have too great a sense of entitlement that they can do whatever they like because that's what they've always done and usually got away with it.
Under Boris's so-called leadership, No.10 became Party Central Station and the culture of parties and boozing was normalised, probably at the taxpayers' expense.
If the Tories had any better alternatives as leader they would have sent in their 54 letters by now but they don't so we're all stuck with him.

Gathering, party, whatever you want to call it they have still been issued with a fine by the police. The police have issued fines in the past which have been consequently rescinded ( 2 girls with coffee). By all accounts, however, Boris has paid his, and in so doing he has admitted an offence, even if it’s just that he doesnt want to stir it further and is hoping it will go away. Some won’t let it go away and some won’t care as it’s 2years ago and we are in the middle of the Ukraine crisis and you don’t swap horses midstream. Whichever I can’t see him being the leader of the Conservatives come the next election.

Paperstream

A technical breach of the law on the face of it. But this portrayal of "parties" was no such thing. The Prime Minister was unknowingly called into a surprise gathering by his daily colleagues for his birthday. He was on his way to a formal meeting but stayed to acknowledge the 'party' for ten minutes before proceeding to his meeting. The idea that he had broken the law and flouted rules in this situation was nowhere near his mind at the time.
I am in despair at the desperate and pathetic witch-hunting going on to bring down the highly competent government of our country. It is infantile stupidity. It is time for people to take more notice of the real threats to our country, the world order and our democratic way of life, being perpetrated by Russia and China, and to which the Prime Minister must spend 100% of his time and energy addressing. Ten minute so-called 'parties' must be got into proportion.
Imposed rules were being inevitably broken in every office block in the country and also in many private homes. What has happened to people's common sense? Maybe people would prefer the likes of Presidents Putin and Zi to be our leaders!

Eh? Highly competent? Which country do you live in? Obviously not the UK.

HolySox

Like your thinking Maddyone.
Jesus talked about people following the letter of the law and not the heart of the law.

The "heart of the law" was to suppress transmission by minimising contacts to the absolute minimum. It doesn't take more than a few brain cells to work out that the contacts in question were not necessary and, therefore, broke the law.

The idea that he had broken the law and flouted rules in this situation was nowhere near his mind at the time.

So, we have someone in charge who doesn't think that having 30 people in one room, when the law says you are only allowed 2, is breaking the law. We're OK with having that person as PM? Infantile stupidity, indeed.

Maybe people would prefer the likes of Presidents Putin and Zi to be our leaders!

That's really offensive, you know?

The war in Ukraine has saved Slippery Boris. I dare say if we had been invaded he would have slithered off to the Bahamas taking his many offspring with him. President Zelensky might have been a comedian in a former life but Boris is a joke and the joke’s on us.

Of course they were parties. We used to have cake in our workplace too, but I don't recall any suitcases of booze or drunken people breaking swings. Was that sort of thing normal in your workplace maddyone?
The police would not issue FPNs if the law had not been broken.
Where is respect for the law, for responsible behaviour in the workplace, for the responsibilities of senior management?
If this was a Labour government people would be up in arms.
I despair.

If found guilty of attending other parties he allegedly didn't know were happening and he didn't know he was at, he could be fined up to £10,000.

I wonder what donor will get tapped up, if he has to pay this sort of amount in fines:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10714277/Furious-Rishi-Sunak-blames-Boris-Carrie-Partygate-fine.html

HE BROKE THE LAW.

Why are we even having this discussion? ?

A technical breach of the law on the face of it. But this portrayal of "parties" was no such thing. The Prime Minister was unknowingly called into a surprise gathering by his daily colleagues for his birthday. He was on his way to a formal meeting but stayed to acknowledge the 'party' for ten minutes before proceeding to his meeting. The idea that he had broken the law and flouted rules in this situation was nowhere near his mind at the time.
I am in despair at the desperate and pathetic witch-hunting going on to bring down the highly competent government of our country. It is infantile stupidity. It is time for people to take more notice of the real threats to our country, the world order and our democratic way of life, being perpetrated by Russia and China, and to which the Prime Minister must spend 100% of his time and energy addressing. Ten minute so-called 'parties' must be got into proportion.
Imposed rules were being inevitably broken in every office block in the country and also in many private homes. What has happened to people's common sense? Maybe people would prefer the likes of Presidents Putin and Zi to be our leaders!

Like your thinking Maddyone.
Jesus talked about people following the letter of the law and not the heart of the law.

maddyone

I still think Maizie it depends on how you define a party.

Sending people out for a suitcase full of booze sounds like a party to me. So do invitations which say 'bring your own bottle'. And discoes and karaoke's...

Why are you wriggling so hard?

maddyone

I still think Maizie it depends on how you define a party.

It's irrelevant whether they were together for a "party" or a non-essential gathering. It was illegal at the time.

maddyone

And that must be the reason the police issued the fines mustn’t it volver. To my mind it’s splitting hairs, but as I said it’s all down to each person’s opinion.

Perhaps refer it to you barrister son and ask him why he thinks the fines were issued? The only opinion that counts is the police, in this instance, and anything else is just making excuses.

maddyone

volver
Thank you for your reply. However obviously in workplaces there were hugely more people gathered than 2. Number 10 is both a workplace and a private home. It would have been illegal for more than one household or 2 people to gather in a private house. I might be wrong but I think the rule of 2 was only for 2 single people anyway in recognition of the possible mental health repercussions after full lockdown. At that time there was also a bubble facility which we used to visit my elderly mother. With regard to the question it comes down to whether there was a party or not because people were allowed to be in workplaces obviously eg hospitals, shops, distribution centres, government cannot operate without workers being in their workplaces. So were there parties? To my mind, not really. We always had cakes on birthdays in my workplace, it’s normal to do that. Ten minutes does not a party make, but it all comes down to opinion.

But maddy The POLICE said it was a party. And he was fined for attending more than one party...

And, the whole of No 10 is not his private residence. For a start, he doesn't even live in No. !0, he lives in No.11. And the only bit that is his 'private residence' is the flat he lives in. The rest of the building is a workplace.

I am a bit disappointed in your posts. I always thought you had better judgement...