Who next for PM?

I do remember Teresa May employing a bumbling, lying incompetent as foreign secretary at one point, so you must be right GSM.

Theresa May had integrity but seemed totally unable to delegate. Whatever anyone might say about the present Cabinet, they are all allowed to, and do, speak on all manner of issues not just those in their particular remit. TM lost her position by being so autocratic and using hopeless advisers.

I would like Theresa May back if we have to have a Tory PM that is. I don't she had a fair crack of the whip as it was overshadowed by Brexit.

I agree OakDryad

Denmark is a true democracy, as are all the other European countries except for the two which elect majority governments supported by a minority of voters, using FPTP - UK and Belarus.

I’d like to see a Danish-style multi-party system where smaller parties have much more significance. No single party has held an absolute majority in the Folketing since the beginning of the 20th century. Government bills rarely become law without negotiations and compromise with both supporting and opposition parties.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Denmark

The TV series Borgen is an excellent drama which shows how this works, especially series 3.

Pepper59

I honestly don't know. Im seriously considering giving up politics and voting altogether. I have never been so disillusioned with the shower I have in my own country ( Scotland), and with UK government. Before anyone begins jumping on me, I have voted in every single election since I was 18 years old. Im now late 50s, but you know what, they are all the same and it doesn't matter the party.

I could have written that post. I’m done with all of them.
I was with friends yesterday and we were discussing how to form a whole new way of governing/ running the country.

I disagree about Hunt. He seems to pick and choose about when he does or doesn’t criticise Johnson.. I think he’s playing the long game. And even the seemingly good decent Conservative MP’s still have a pretty vile voting record when it comes to the poorer and more vulnerable members of society.

MayBee70

Tom Tugendhat. Putting country before party I think he’s a big threat to Labour winning the next election but, for the sake of the country he’s what we need.

I am and never have been a Tory supporter. I really do believe they need a period out of office in order to clean out the rot caused by Johnson and his flying monkeys.

I've written elsewhere about why Johnson surrounds himself with weak cabinet members. Why has Tom Tugendhat not been offered a cabinet position? Because he's been sanctioned by China? Because he's pro-EU? Because he might actually be a threat to Johnson? If we are stuck with the Tories in power for a few more years I'd like to see him in a prominent role. If Ukraine is being cited as the reason not to destabilise the government, I can't think of anyone better. Someone with a firm grasp of foreign affairs and military engagement.

Sorry Casdon I meant Arggh to your post, not JaneJudge's

Not Jeremy Hunt, he's far too nice, and would be a useless push over and capitulate without a struggle when confronted with the EU, Putin, or any politician you can think of. Politics worldwide is such a dirty game these days that niceness, integrity or any such attributes are pretty well obsolete in today's world. Sad but true. In any case I don't think Jeremy Hunt would want it, the palpable look of relief when Boris won the leadership contest was more than obvious, and I doubt it's changed.

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Argh JaneJudge! Another pair of trousers I refuse to zoom in on!

I know what you mean Coastpath. Who does this remind you of?

Coastpath

Just imagine you started a new job and that lot were the gang in the office!

Grant Shapps always makes me think of Linus from the Peanuts cartoons.

Coastpath

Just imagine you started a new job and that lot were the gang in the office!

Grant Shapps always makes me think of Linus from the Peanuts cartoons.

Ugh, Grant Schapps always makes me think ‘spiv’.

Shortly before ‘Help to Buy’ was introduced, I emailed my MP to say that it was surely just going to whack up the price of new builds, which are often overpriced compared with older properties anyway.

MP said he shared my concerns, but forwarded my email to GS, relevant minister at the time.

A very arrogant reply came back, saying that there was ‘no evidence’ that this would happen.
Well, of course there wasn’t - it hadn’t happened yet!

Of course it helped to whack up already high prices anyway, not to mention swelling the building CEOs’ bonuses very nicely, thank you.

IMO any new leader would have to come from outside the tainted cabinet/Number Ten ranks, but I can’t see that happening. ?

Please not Truss or Dorries

God knows. I just hope it's better than we have now.

It's a pretty low bar to aim at, so hopefully there is someone.

Truss and Dorries aren’t up to it! How anyone can contemplate doe eyed Dorries who hangs on to Johnson’s every word is ridiculous. Cabinet are all guilty of supporting a liar so none are suitable.

I honestly don't know. Im seriously considering giving up politics and voting altogether. I have never been so disillusioned with the shower I have in my own country ( Scotland), and with UK government. Before anyone begins jumping on me, I have voted in every single election since I was 18 years old. Im now late 50s, but you know what, they are all the same and it doesn't matter the party.

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Just imagine you started a new job and that lot were the gang in the office!

Grant Shapps always makes me think of Linus from the Peanuts cartoons.

MayBee70

Tom Tugendhat. Putting country before party I think he’s a big threat to Labour winning the next election but, for the sake of the country he’s what we need.

Do you think his dual nationality French/English might stand in his way of being PM for some folks?

Tom Tugendhat. Putting country before party I think he’s a big threat to Labour winning the next election but, for the sake of the country he’s what we need.

Coastpath

The quality and morals of the people that Johnson has pulled close around him make dredging up one good, untarnished apple from the rotten barrelful impossible.

Many on GN praise and value their Conservative MP so there must be many excellent MPs in the party, just not in Johnson's clique. What must those Tory MPs who went into politics as a force for good be thinking?

Well put Coastpath

Visgirl I like Penny Mourdant, not sure she has much of a chance though.

Please not Liz Truss or Nadine Dories. Can’t take either of them seriously.

why are some of them pulling such weird faces it's like being in the hall of mirrors