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varian Wed 13-Apr-22 17:34:03

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War in Europe, world high energy and food prices, we are working alongside Covid, honestly I think some people would argue about the price of eggs, whilst around them people were murdering each other.

If we argue about the price of eggs we can resolve the argument by looking at the facts. If you say that the price of eggs in UK supermarkets has doubled in the last year and I say it has not, we can factcheck and that will be, or should be, the end of the argument. One of us is factually correct and the other one wrong.

The problem we seem to have in UK politics - and elsewhere in the world- is the rejection of facts on the part of a sizeable portion of the electorate who have been brainwashed into believing things which are not true.

Most folk in this country are amazed that the majority of the Russian people seem to support Putin, but that is because they have been in effect brainwashed for years by his very effective lying propaganda.

maddyone Wed 13-Apr-22 17:32:44

Maizie I agree with you. I knew we’d agree again.

MaizieD Wed 13-Apr-22 17:30:31

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War in Europe, world high energy and food prices, we are working alongside Covid, honestly I think some people would argue about the price of eggs, whilst around them people were murdering each other.

whilst around them people were murdering each other.

As our PM is perfectly happy with murdering people by pretending that covid no longer exists and letting it rip through the population, I find that quite an ironic statement...

Barmeyoldbat Wed 13-Apr-22 17:23:41

There is always a war somewhere in the world, we are at war with our-mum and his lies

Doodledog Wed 13-Apr-22 16:19:53

growstuff

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War in Europe, world high energy and food prices, we are working alongside Covid, honestly I think some people would argue about the price of eggs, whilst around them people were murdering each other.

What's that got to do with Johnson's lies?

All the more reason for us to have a PM we can trust, surely?

growstuff Wed 13-Apr-22 16:10:31

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War in Europe, world high energy and food prices, we are working alongside Covid, honestly I think some people would argue about the price of eggs, whilst around them people were murdering each other.

What's that got to do with Johnson's lies?

DiamondLily Wed 13-Apr-22 15:55:33

People, around the globe, are always murdering one another, for various reasons.

That shouldn't stop us trying to get a decent PM - of whatever party.

Allsorts Wed 13-Apr-22 15:52:09

War in Europe, world high energy and food prices, we are working alongside Covid, honestly I think some people would argue about the price of eggs, whilst around them people were murdering each other.

varian Wed 13-Apr-22 15:43:47

Here is just one example of a false claim I've heard Tories make many times-

“There are now more people in work than there were before the pandemic began.”
Boris Johnson, House of Commons 24 NOVEMBER 2021

Facts-

During Prime Minister’s Questions, Boris Johnson claimed that there are more people in work now than there were before the Covid-19 pandemic began.

When asked by FullFact, Number 10 said the PM was referring to the number of UK workers on employer payrolls which was 29.3 million in October 2021, above the 29 million in February 2020, before the start of the pandemic.

But the number of workers on employer payrolls doesn’t include everyone in work. Notably it excludes the self-employed, the number of whom has fallen from 5 million just before the pandemic to 4.3 million as of the third quarter of 2021.

Other data from the Office for National Statistics, which includes all people in paid work in the UK, shows the figure is still about half a million below the level just prior to the pandemic. It has gone from about 33 million between December 2019 and February 2020 to 32.5 million in the latest figures from July to September 2021.

The proportion of working-age people in employment is also lower than it was in early 2020, falling from 76.6% to 75.4% in this period.

Therefore, it is not correct to say that there are now more people in employment than there were before the pandemic began.

poshpaws Wed 13-Apr-22 14:31:14

varian you're a Legend. Respect.

varian Wed 13-Apr-22 14:18:37

Boris Johnson and his government have repeatedly made false claims. When they are proven to be wrong by fact checking, they repeat them. Their supporters repeat them.

Repeating lies again and again does not make them true and yet it seems to have worked well for Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin. We must not allow Boris Johnson to get away with lying. It corrodes trust in our politics. If Johnson "willfully misleads" the House of Commons (as he has already done) he must resign.

Here is a list of some of his false claims and the relevant facts.

boris-johnson-lies.com/