Sending U.K. refugees to Rawanda

I do have to wonder what plans the Labour front bench have tucked up theirs sleeves to tackle this problem?

how much per day does it cost to house someone in Yarl's wood?

Urmstongran

Not by queue jumping that’s for sure.

What are you on about?

Germanshepherdsmum

poshpaws

The Rwanda scheme will cost over £120 million – enough money to give every refugee in Britain a decent life, instead of spending it on imprisoning them. This plan manages to combine being inhumane and cruel with being unworkable.

Is this the Diane Abbott school of mathematics? For how long would £120m 'be enough to give every refugee in Britain a decent life'? I suggest you do the maths at just the subsistence sum per day they are paid, let alone the cost of housing and 'processing' and maybe then deporting or somehow integrating them.

I suggest you do some maths too. It's going to cost a hell of a lot more than £120 million to send all those eligible to Rwanda and ensure they're supported, as the government is promising. The idea is that they will settle in Rwanda and not return to the UK. The £120 million mentioned is a down payment. The rest hasn't been costed.

Not by queue jumping that’s for sure.

poshpaws

The Rwanda scheme will cost over £120 million – enough money to give every refugee in Britain a decent life, instead of spending it on imprisoning them. This plan manages to combine being inhumane and cruel with being unworkable.

Is this the Diane Abbott school of mathematics? For how long would £120m 'be enough to give every refugee in Britain a decent life'? I suggest you do the maths at just the subsistence sum per day they are paid, let alone the cost of housing and 'processing' and maybe then deporting or somehow integrating them.

Urmstongran says "come to the UK the right way". Would she like to explain how that is possible. We do not have a "right way". The right way is a properly organised, efficient and humanitarian way. That would be great. Sadly this government went for a hostile environment instead.

This scheme is one that sells these poor people to Rwanda; the UK will be back into slavery. Once there they will escape and try to get back to Europe to try once again to get here. This will lead to more people smugglers making more money out of them. Those coming after them will get here somehow - and become paperless immigrants; not daring to ask for the asylum status they are due. The idea that has been put out that this is for the sake of those who die trying to get here is absurd. All it would take to keep them safe would be to do the job properly.

Those in favour declare "numbers will come down". I am sure they will - for a couple of weeks. Loud noises will come out of number 10 praising the system in the first week or two (if we get that far). Then it will go quiet. No comment will be made as numbers go up and the 60 asylum seekers they could afford to send to Rwanda (using the costs per person from Australia) will be replaced many times over.

The only true way to have control is to stop the hate and stop the UKIP style politicking. This government does not need to squander this money selling people but they do need to do the job appropriately, efficiently and legally. Johnson doesn't have a clue and really doesn't care - his supporters are just the same. Patel, it seems, has even less ability to solve a problem.

volver

Private jet, growstuff. With their Russian passport in the seat pocket.

Yeah, sure! And a certificate from the Cayman Islands in the other pocket, proving they've got a couple of billion stashed away? And an invite to Johnson to stay in their luxury villa?

Private jet, growstuff. With their Russian passport in the seat pocket.

Urmstongran

When the Australian government made know that anyone caught trying to enter Australia illegally would never be allowed to settle in the Australia, the flow of migrants reduced to a trickle in a matter of days.

When the first aeroplane full of migrants takes off for Rwanda, social media will be red hot and staying in France, or not leaving their home country, will become the better option I think.

Yes, come here to the UK through the right way. Smuggle yourselves in? No thanks.

How exactly do they come to the country "the right way"? Go on! Tell us!

poshpaws

The Rwanda scheme will cost over £120 million – enough money to give every refugee in Britain a decent life, instead of spending it on imprisoning them. This plan manages to combine being inhumane and cruel with being unworkable.

It certainly will. It was because Patel couldn't provide any figures that the Civil Service wouldn't approve it. £120 is a ludicrously small amount when you think what's involved.

Urmstongran

DaisyAnne

Sadly though growstuff this 20% think "everyone" thinks as they do and that those who don't are the minority. For balance, this will also be true of any minority group with strongly held views. To them, democracy is getting their way.

Ha! Just illustrated the Brexit referendum viewpoint.

What are you on about?

Maudi

Hands up I was wrong I always get these two mixed up.

Even then it's only a journalist's interpretation of a photo and tweet ... to stir up hatred from certain people.

I guess that makes a jovial dinner party story amongst a certain demographic Urmstongran. Now, back to real life ...

Maudi

15:28MaizieD

Would that be the Anna Soubry who despises the working class white van man who takes pride in flying the English flag. I thought Labour were supposed to be for the working class obviously not, champagne solialist party more like.

As for WazzockOfTheDay she already has this trophy on her mantelpiece. ?

No. It wasn't her.

Hands up I was wrong I always get these two mixed up.

Allison Pearson in the Telegraph yesterday:

“We were having dinner on holiday in Turkey last year, when the British couple at the next table started complaining how difficult the Covid regulations made it to return to the UK. “Be Syrian refugees!” advised the restaurant manager with a cheeky grin. Plenty of Turks he knew had travelled to the French coast, cut up their documents and credit cards and taken a small boat to England. Many were now happily working for their uncles in Tottenham.

Relatives in London, the manager explained, sent money back to their village in the Kurdish part of Turkey. Their nephews used the cash to pay the people smugglers for passage from Turkey to Greece, then, via France, by dinghy to England. And Ahmet’s your uncle!

Once the Turkish lads landed at Dover, they would claim their free smartphone and tell border officials they were persecuted Sunni Muslims from Syria. Even some of the north Africans now claimed they were Syrian so they’d improve their chances of being granted leave to stay.

The manager’s enthusiasm for this ruse was so infectious that, amidst our laughter, we forgot it was our own country that was the butt of the joke.

Quite clearly, the 600 people who scrambled ashore at Dungeness and Dover on Wednesday had not all decided to masquerade as desperate people from Aleppo. But, equally, not all 600 are the “vulnerable” asylum seekers cited by the refugee agencies who have been wailing on the airwaves since we learnt that “Priti Vicious” (as one newspaper called her) plans to send single, male asylum seekers on a one-way flight to Rwanda.”

X posts Parsley! “Your starter for 10 ... “ ?

Erm no I think that gong goes to Lady Nugee of Labour - Emily Thornberry Maudi.

Has Anna Soubry left Change UK and joined the Labour Party? Wasn’t it Emily Thornberry who sneered at white van man ?

I wonder who’s in line for the RightofGenghisKhan award - actually, I know.

16:48varian

No it's not they pay the smuggler gangs at Calais for the privilege of getting on a dinghy. If they do pay before they reach France to be smuggled through the EU they most definitely are economic migrants and not fleeing a war zone.

15:28MaizieD

Would that be the Anna Soubry who despises the working class white van man who takes pride in flying the English flag. I thought Labour were supposed to be for the working class obviously not, champagne solialist party more like.

As for WazzockOfTheDay she already has this trophy on her mantelpiece. ?

The desperate refugees might pay the people smugglers £3k but that is not for the trip on the rubber dinghy - it's for the whole trip from whatever war zone or hell hole they start off from.

GillT57

You two just keep on convincing each other. The rest of us have better things to do rather than read your repeated refusal to consider any other solutions. Or to be tainted second hand by your brexiteers soundbites.

Good word ‘tainted’