Sending U.K. refugees to Rawanda

A few thoughts about this dead cat designed to distracted the media today: UK was instrumental in establishing UN policy on refugees which it now intends to break!
The cost of what is being is immense with minimal return. The money could be used far better in integrating refugees into UK society to help them be economic contributors. UK has a great reputation of significant refugee achievement and contribution in UK - look at our NHS!
There are masses of empty housing in UK in every council area. Councils could house refugees in these homes, give them a grant to help renovate the buildings and help the family integrate into schooling and work - and solve a housing problem! Sadly councils are so underfunded they are unable to think laterally to the problem.
People migration due to war and economy is a problem as long as history! Shipping people to Rwanda will solve nothing - just prove to the international community the UK has really lost the plot! A sensible, costed strategy needs working out with our international neighbours to address the base problems of refugees!

The people aren't illegal - but the methods of the crossings are. They are being run by people traffickers, earning a huge amount of money,

They cheerfully put these migrants to sea, not caring whether these boats are seaworthy, or who might drown.?

Where are they going to stay. Camps? Concentration camps?

Probably - we were the first to use such places and coincidently they were also on the same continent.

This has got to be against international law.

How on earth do you think this is going to stop the crossings?

I've removed the word "illegal" because they're not illegal.

To stretch my handcart analogy too far - now we know who's pushing it.

Great idea.
Anything we do to stop the illegal crossings is fine by me.
We haven’t got the room or money for them. How many coming over every week?
Hundreds.

We cannot sustain a parallel illegal system. "Our compassion may be infinite, but our capacity to help people is not."

Exactly Boris.

Another dead cat thrown on the table as well. Gets us off the subject of Johnson’s corruption and law breaking doesnt it?

DaisyAnne

^I live London/North Kent borders, and these economic migrants, generally young men, coming over the Channel daily, are a big problem.^ *DiamondLily^ Thu 14-Apr-22 08:09:28

It was a "big problem" for Johnson to work with the controls he impossed on all of us for Covid. So he simply broke the law. He is doing that again. And that's okay with you?

No, for what it's worth, due to what was happening on one day of Johnson's parties (my Dad having to die without family being allowed there), I am incandescent with rage at it all.?

But, that still doesn't alter the fact that it's never going to be good to keep people holed up in hotels, for months and years, with no one working out how to provide permanent housing.

They are talking about sending half these males, plus the women and children, to a detention centre in Yorkshire, while they wait for a decision - I don't know what the housing situation is like up there, for those who will be allowed to stay.

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I totally agree about shameful.

Mollygo

I agree about processing more quickly. Processing anything is incredibly slow as I know to my cost.

What is a valid right to be here?
I know what it says on line, but is it like insurance, where if you use the right words, your claim is more likely to be successful?

Do you have a maximum number who would be granted access?

My biggest query is, Deport them back to where?

Knowing they would be deported, would they not dispose of their passports (if they had one)?

I don't know because I don't set the immigration policy. But other countries manage.

But much easier for our shower of idiot politicians to send them packing to a country far away.

It's shameful. Shameful.

This country is getting worse and worse. I absolutely hate it.

What about international law?

We're going to have another one of these threads, aren't we?

Economic migrants, genuine refugees, stay in the safe country, the country's full...

Now "locals aren't getting their holidays".

We're going to hell in a handcart.

I live London/North Kent borders, and these economic migrants, generally young men, coming over the Channel daily, are a big problem. *DiamondLily^ Thu 14-Apr-22 08:09:28

It was a "big problem" for Johnson to work with the controls he impossed on all of us for Covid. So he simply broke the law. He is doing that again. And that's okay with you?

Surely this is illegal.
It is certainly immoral.
I cannot believe we are such an unfeeling and twisted nation.
I am both deeply saddened and angry about this.
Shame on us.

I agree about processing more quickly. Processing anything is incredibly slow as I know to my cost.

What is a valid right to be here?
I know what it says on line, but is it like insurance, where if you use the right words, your claim is more likely to be successful?

Do you have a maximum number who would be granted access?

My biggest query is, Deport them back to where?

Knowing they would be deported, would they not dispose of their passports (if they had one)?

So these asylum seekers are to be encouraged to make a life in Rwanda. I wonder if there will be a gate to walk through when they arrive with "Work Will Free You" over the top? I assume "making a new life" means they will be put to work. It is to be a one way ticket. Even if they are granted asylum they will have to stay there.

Maybe says "What on earth has my country turned into.." I think we have seen this elsewhere and we know just what they are doing.

For those who think this is not a problem I would guess you are also the ones who find it hard to understand why other countries haven't understood what their govenment has done and have refused to believe what they are told by others.

We need to build affordable, social housing and it must remain housing association/council property. It must be excluded from the daft right to buy scheme

I live London/North Kent borders, and these economic migrants, generally young men, coming over the Channel daily, are a big problem.

Many hotels are just used for housing them now, to the point that holidaymakers are having their holidays cancelled.

We have Afghans, and their families, that we invited over after the fall of Kabul, still holed up in one room, along with newer (and some older) arrivals.

There is such a dire shortage of affordable housing down here, that we are having to send local homeless families to the North of England, miles away from any support.

We have, rightly, invited the genuine refugees over from Ukraine, with UK families guaranteeing to house them for 3 months.

But, what happens after that? This conflict is liable to go on a lot longer - where do we put those refugees next?

Soneone, in government, needs to come up with some sort of workable plan.

Rwanda

Who is going to care for them in Rawanda? Feed them, medical assistance? What about children?

This has all the makings of utter barbarity, but then we have form don’t we?

It’s shameful
What kind of government could even contemplate a policy like this.

Families in war torn countries club together to provide money for one of their young, healthy, competent young men to make the perilous journey to Europe, including the UK. That’s one of the reason refugees and asylum seekers who arrive by dangerous boats, are young men.

We aren’t ‘ full’ .

The workable solution is to process arrivals in this country quickly, deport those who have no valid right to be here and welcome the rest.

It's really not that hard, although Patel and the rest would like you to think it is.

This is wrong and I can’t see how this will work.
It’s supposed to act as a deterrent to people getting on the boats-but if you have travelled that far, you aren’t going to believe you’ll be shipped off to Rwanda until you get here. Even without Rwanda’s human rights record it seems wrong.

I’m not saying they should stay in Germany or France, both much bigger countries, but why risk your life and your family’s life to come to the UK?
Easy to say we should stop it, but who on GN a workable answer to the problem. I certainly don’t.

Officially asylum seekers, many are in reality economic migrants that have destroyed their nationality and with no state to return to cannot be deported. Rwanda is currently one of the few stable safe African states and if the UK pays enough may take some deportees, internally I can’t see it being popular and any payment is likely to go straight into the pockets of the elite.
The genocide in Rwanda is still in everyones mind the current government is seen as very authoritarian and opposition is being suppressed.

I don’t think it is a good idea.

Have you seen over the last 20 years, the people living in squalour in high rise flats, no lifts, water running through the ceilings, private rents are rat and pest infested and how many of the homeless on our streets. Young people unable to get a mortgage, not earning enough and rental costs too high. It is expected we will have 1000 people seeking refuge here every day soon, coming in via unscrupulous provoke smugglers, that's apart from the people from Ukraine. Please if anyone can, tell me where they will go, who will fund this? We can't afford any more rise in income tax etc. Energy prices through the roof, the country is struggling. No one wants to turn away anyone in need but it is impossible to house and feed them. People born and bred here can't manage, they resort to food banks though working. If anyone feels very strongly then house a family, although it may be cramped it's better than turning them away and you will genuinely be able to say, I feel bad about what's happening and this is my contribution. Would love to know how anyone can sort this out please.

And Australia have done something similar- it has not been a success and they are trying to wind it up.