Sending U.K. refugees to Rawanda

Whitewavemark2

There is a rescued Romanian puppy next door to us, getting free handouts and accommodation.

Send him back I say!!

??? Thank you?

It doesn't illustrate your point at all Urmstongran Have you read any of the news, data or posts above detailing the number of refugees other countries accept compared to the UK. We are well down the list.

Being kind does not make you a soft touch.

We need workers.

But you know all this.

Urmstongran

Well the problem hasn’t gone away and the situation is worsening. I could Google it I suppose. Maybe later... we’re off out.

No no, don't worry. We all know you're far too busy to actually find any real, verifiable and relevant facts.

Who’s she? The cat’s mother?

Which illustrates my point Coastpath the UK is a soft touch. Come one, come all. Any number. We don’t send you back. In fact I think we’ve given up. Hence Rwanda as a deterrent.

Maybe she'd been on the phone to her cousin the whole time

Well the problem hasn’t gone away and the situation is worsening. I could Google it I suppose. Maybe later... we’re off out.

Urmstongran's article is from 2014. It's eight years old.

Got any actual, current figures?

I didn’t realise until this morning that many of these dinghy desperadoes have had their applications for asylum turned down by France. So not fleeing persecution then. Who knew?

" Research carried out by the Refugee Council shows the majority of nationals from the countries most represented in small boat arrivals are granted asylum."

fullfact.org/immigration/scott-benton-small-boats-economic-migrants/

My cousin rang and we got chatting about all sorts. During the conversation Rwanda came up GSM. I said I didn’t know he laughed and said “no surprise France doesn’t want the dinghies returned to their shores”. He said “check Google, I’ll send you a link”.

He sent this:
www.thelocal.fr/20140324/france-asylum-refugee-rejects-four-out-of-five-asylum-seekers/

Chestnut apart from the husband correction, which was my false assumption so I apologise, you have just said exactly the same thing again.

You are speculating about the benefits agency just as you are speculating about her and her situation.

It's tittle tattle not fact.

Here's a fact. In June 2021 there were 108,000 less Romanians living in the UK than in 2019. Our small island is not filling up with Romanians hoping to abuse our systems.

I hadn’t heard that Urms. Where did you hear it?

Not so much refugees as it turns out. The majority on here hate some of us saying ‘economic migrants’ but quite honestly I didn’t realise until this morning that many of these dinghy desperadoes have had their applications for asylum turned down by France. So not fleeing persecution then. Who knew?

The way a government treats refugees is very instructive because it shows you how they would treat the rest of us if they thought they could get away with it

Tony Benn

Or better still ship him to Rwanda - that will serve him right for seeking help and a better life.

There is a rescued Romanian puppy next door to us, getting free handouts and accommodation.

Send him back I say!!

I am bemused. The Romanian woman speaks no English but Chestnut seems to know an awful lot about her life Is she even Romanian does she even claim benefits?

Even if she did, you are allowed an overnight visitor a couple of times a week. This man might be her brother or is he a lover

Deflection is continuous and successfully focuses attention away from the real cause of poverty, cuts in services etc.

Oops! henryjacksonsociety.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Out-of-the-Shadows-Conspiracy-thinking-on-immigration.pdf

This focus on ‘young men with mobile phones’ distorts the reality Iam64 Sun 17-Apr-22 21:38:13

You may be interested in some academic research I read over the weekend Iam. Its title is "Out of the Shadows: Conspiracy Thinking on Immigration." The work looks at ... conspiracy thinking; specifically, the question as to whether conspiracy theories – a notion we have traditionally considered to be inherently embedded within the ‘fringes’, can continue to be described in such terms when it reaches a mainstream position

It's not light reading as you might imagine but an interesting piece of research. However, I recommend anyone interested in why we are where we are to read the whole paper.

As with such things it's difficult not to go to the Discussion and Conclusion. One particular outcome caught my attention:

... through human and system error, the deliberate concealment of information and the proactive shaping of polarising narratives, governments have helped give fuel to citizens’ burgeoning unease and suspicion, and bolstered the fortunes of those seeking to capitalise on such failures for their own political, financial or ideological ends. it must be possible in liberal democracies to confront the fact that there is some element of truth underpinning the notion that governments have not always been truthful, or effective, in their management of immigration policy, and in doing so, to also draw a distinction between this reckoning and the racialised misinformation being promoted by conspiracy theorists, which threatens to incite violence and embed divisions in our societies that will be tremendously challenging for governments to overcome

Can we have a few examples of people we know/have heard about, who are fiddling their tax. I don’t mean the builder who does a £75 but if work and is happy to take cash. I was thinking more about millionaires…..

I'm not sure what this case is supposed to prove. She's not a refugee, but presumably came to the UK when we were still in the EU. Were the children born in Romania? What status does the children's father have? Is he British? It all sounds quite sad to me - for all any of us knows, she might want to return to Romania, but doesn't want to take her children further away from their father. It crossed my mind that she could have been trafficked. There is certainly a "market" for Eastern European women, who are promised the earth, and men who want a woman. Are there any local English classes or a network who could give her support, so that she could get some training and work? If the father is Romanian, the chances are that both of them will have to return after a few years, unless either (or both) of them are eligible for nationality. If she can't speak English, the chance that she'd be eligible are minimal.

Coastpath

I'm with JaneJudge.

Chestnut didn't really seem to know the woman. She made assumptions about her life and how it was funded. She doesn't know what the lady's husband does for a living. None of this information seems to be based on first hand knowledge of the facts of this woman's life.

Despite these omissions the observations have been described as "Just one example of working the system" and described as facts by Chestnut in a later post.

If this woman and her family are relying on benefits then the benefits agency are obviously very happy with her situation. How is she playing the system?

The facts are that the woman has arrived here from Romania with two small children, so is not a refugee. She doesn't work so has no obvious income. She doesn't speak English. She has been given a lovely, two bedroomed ground floor flat with use of a garden and her children are given free education. The children's father doesn't live here but has visited a couple of times and has a car. I didn't say he was her husband, those were your words. It appears the benefits agency are 'happy with her situation' as you say, giving her everything she needs without her having to work. But do they even know there is a man on the scene when she is living alone with her children? If he provides income then this would affect her benefits. Make of it what you will.

JaneJudge accuses me of disliking my neighbour when I have said no such thing. I neither like nor dislike her. I just state facts and people can decide for themselves what they think.

Chestnut

growstuff Is there a reliable survey of London taxi drivers and bus drivers somewhere?
I heard it myself on a TV programme about London, where they were talking to the camera as they drove around. No survey required, it was straight from the horse's mouth.

But vox pop interviews are not exactly very scientific!

I have a good friend who is a London taxi driver and I've never heard him complain about more traffic. Plenty of complaints about Uber drivers!

I'd be interested if you have real evidence that traffic on London has increased over the last few years as a result of population increase.

growstuff Is there a reliable survey of London taxi drivers and bus drivers somewhere?
I heard it myself on a TV programme about London, where they were talking to the camera as they drove around. No survey required, it was straight from the horse's mouth.