Sending U.K. refugees to Rawanda

Germanshepherdsmum

They are not all asylum seekers wwm. A great many are economic migrants who have no qualifications to enable them to work here and don’t speak English. Do you have an alternative method of stopping people smugglers whilst providing a safe route for people who are fleeing war and persecution rather than just seeing us as a soft touch?

You are allowing yourself to be brainwashed by this rabble.

These people are being shipped to one of the most dreadful places on this earth BEFORE anything concerning their status has been established.

This is a fascist policy.

Don’t support it.

Coastpath

Yesterday I spent a lot of time thinking how people who describe themselves as having a Christian faith can support the lies and cruel policies of this government. This Rwanda concept has made me question this even more today.

All faiths from Humanist to Hindu (that's you isn't it Pritti) set great store by the importance of kindness to others from any country, especially those in need.

I have no faith but for anyone interested here's what the Bible says about immigrants. Hard to tally with some opinons on here.

“When a stranger resides with you in your land, you shall not wrong him. The stranger who resides with you shall be to you as one of your citizens; you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt” (Lev. 19:33-34).

Do you know, I was going to post something similar but decided against it.

I really don't think someone who hadn't realised there was a party gong on his back garden is equipped to deal with the complex nature of migration or human trafficking.

Rosalyn69

Unpopular opinion I know but we can’t possibly keep on allowing huge numbers of illegal immigrants into the country.

What have any of the immigrants done which is illegal?

Pritti Patel's parents were economic migrants who came here before yhe Ugandan Asians were driven out in the 1970s

Who would have thought that lovely jolly cuddly Johnson would push his dead cat theory this far. It is, unfortunately, going to make him very popular with some of the electorate, though, the bring back hanging mob. And now we know why he keeps Patel as Home Secretary. She’s probably the only one vile enough to do this. I’m so ashamed of my country.

I live in an area where there are a lot of empty houses. There is an RAF base and an Army base and they, apparently, don’t want to live in these houses.
Tax the rich, that would provide millions/billions for our own people and to help those from other countries.
When I read this on the BBC news I thought, “just when you thought things couldn’t get any worse ….” This government is disgrace, as are those whose support them, whatever they do.

I think Rwanda is an unworkable idea but there should be a safe humane place where migrant can stay safely while identities are checked

Maybe Alderney would fit the bill, that would make the UK a much less attractive destination

Whitewavemark2

Germanshepherdsmum

They are not all asylum seekers wwm. A great many are economic migrants who have no qualifications to enable them to work here and don’t speak English. Do you have an alternative method of stopping people smugglers whilst providing a safe route for people who are fleeing war and persecution rather than just seeing us as a soft touch?

You are allowing yourself to be brainwashed by this rabble.

These people are being shipped to one of the most dreadful places on this earth BEFORE anything concerning their status has been established.

This is a fascist policy.

Don’t support it.

I do support it and will continue to do so. It isn't a fascist policy. I have mentioned upthread the gangs of non-English speaking young men in my nearest city and what they do. I would like to see an end to it.

Germanshepherdsmum

Whitewavemark2

Germanshepherdsmum

They are not all asylum seekers wwm. A great many are economic migrants who have no qualifications to enable them to work here and don’t speak English. Do you have an alternative method of stopping people smugglers whilst providing a safe route for people who are fleeing war and persecution rather than just seeing us as a soft touch?

You are allowing yourself to be brainwashed by this rabble.

These people are being shipped to one of the most dreadful places on this earth BEFORE anything concerning their status has been established.

This is a fascist policy.

Don’t support it.

I do support it and will continue to do so. It isn't a fascist policy. I have mentioned upthread the gangs of non-English speaking young men in my nearest city and what they do. I would like to see an end to it.

What policy did the Nazis try to pursue before the final solution?

Last time I looked Madagascar what part of the African continent.

You are supporting a fascist policy.

Maudi

It will be a vote winner for Boris if it actually happens. Stop the illegal boat smuggler crossings.

Might be a vote winner for people like you Maudi, but not for the majority of us. Mind you, that is probably why you voted for Brexit; keep the foreigners out. When I read posts like yours, and several other predictable others, it makes me ashamed to live in the same country. The smugglers are criminals, the people coming in on boats are not, please try at least to differentiate.

Is the plan for British officials to have care/guard of the refugees/asylum seekers/economic migrants once they get to Rwanda? Oh wait, I just checked. No, the Rwandans will do the processing, with a view to them staying in Rwanda.

So, what if one of these re-packaged "illegals" has spent months leaving/escaping Rwanda?

Luckygirl3

£120 million to Rwanda - why not spend this money on speedy processing to distinguish genuine refugees from economic migrants? That is not to say that I do not have sympathy with economic migrants - who can blame people for wanting to better their standard of living/education?

It is getting seriously embarrassing to be British.

I agree. But in this through the looking glass country we are living in at the moment, you have these decisions being made by the daughter of economic migrants. I think people should be scooped up quickly at the ports, and processed (I hate that word, it reminds me of something done in an abbatoir), and then either integrated, given employment and left to get on with their lives and contribute to the economy as generations of migrants have done before, or repatriated to their country of origin.

I thought Rawanda had problems of it own to deal with? Without having ours thrust upon them. It wasn't that long ago they were in the middle of conflict between the people and the government. Did someone in the Home Office just stick a pin in a map and said mid Africa will do ?

Germanshepherdsmum

They are not all asylum seekers wwm. A great many are economic migrants who have no qualifications to enable them to work here and don’t speak English. Do you have an alternative method of stopping people smugglers whilst providing a safe route for people who are fleeing war and persecution rather than just seeing us as a soft touch?

what about making it easier for people to apply to come and live here while they are living in their country of origin? Maybe have offices where they can apply or online applications? That would cut out the people smugglers who are heinous criminals ( the only thing most of us on there agree about). Mind you, looking at the clusterf**k that the Home Office are making of processing applications from what some like to refer to as 'genuine refugees' from Ukraine, maybe that isn't a brilliant idea after all.

What constantly surprises me on here, and listening to Johnson for that matter, is the utter inability of some people to see beyond the end of their noses.

For instance. There's no council housing available for us!.

There are quarter of a million empty residential properties in England alone. (Source: Big Issue & council tax records) So there's plenty accommodation, we are just prioritising our holiday homes and investment properties over actually giving homes to people who need them. So why don't we do something about it? I have no idea, but I suspect its something to do with not upsetting the rich.

The obvious way to ruin the people smugglers business model is to punish the migrants so that they tell their mates not to come, isn't it? Not, for instance, make it easier to come here through established channels. Or have a better funded and more effective policy for checking people's right to be here. Or use our overseas aid to make their home countries more liveable.

No, no, that just makes us look like a soft touch. Apparently.

Well said, volver ?

I don't quite understand why people aren't making a big fuss about the influx of Hong Kongers, also fleeing from a repressive regime, that our PM so generously offered visas to. We could get 3 million of them. What about our housing shortage, creaking infrastructure, and overcrowding then?

People keep saying We must process them faster, we must process them faster.
Its not easy when in all probability a large amount of migrants will not even have had their birth registered.
Plus the country they are coming from will not have the tech to deal with requests coming from us.

The economic migrants will be living in good accomodation. I see that single males will be sent

MerylStreep

People keep saying We must process them faster, we must process them faster.
Its not easy when in all probability a large amount of migrants will not even have had their birth registered.
Plus the country they are coming from will not have the tech to deal with requests coming from us.

I have very little understanding of how they deal with deciding how an arrival on our shores is fleeing terror, or a war, or of they want to have a better life for themselves and their families.

But trotting out the same old excuse about them tearing up their paperwork is vapid.

Somebody on here above talked about Afghan refugees being stuck in accommodation for months. We know where these people come from. We know they are fleeing terror. And still we expect them to live for lengthy periods of time in unsuitable accommodation.

As if we haven't got the wit to work out how to deal with them. We're a disgrace.

Yes, confiscate all holiday homes. They must belong to rich people . And don’t give them to UK citizens who are homeless or living in unfit accommodation, give them to the boat people. What a wonderful idea volver. Is that looking beyond the end of your nose? Suggest that in Scotland first and see how it works out. I’m sure Nicola would be delighted.

MerylStreep

People keep saying We must process them faster, we must process them faster.
Its not easy when in all probability a large amount of migrants will not even have had their birth registered.
Plus the country they are coming from will not have the tech to deal with requests coming from us.

Rather a prejudiced view? Many of these people will be from countries such as Iraq and Syria where, unbelievably, they had running water, a civil service, technology, even Universities, would you believe it!

Oh no, poor old middle class people!

That's not what I said though, is it? Stop putting words in my mouth.

And if you are going to start talking about asylum seekers in Scotland, come prepared.

The UK is home to approx. 1% of the 26.4 million refugees, forcibly displaced across the world.

41% of initial decisions resulted in a grant of asylum or other form of protection.

The proportion of asylum appeals allowed in the year ending December 2020 was 39%. The government is changing the law to stop these appeals.

Empty houses, volver? Belonging to whom? You obviously have the data at your fingertips.
Why not trial your proposal in Scotland? Would it not go down well?

It’s very simple. You come from a country with a repressive regime and/or your home has been destroyed by warring factions and/or a place where there is little food and water ... You are a young man who, in any country, is considered the lowest priority for assistance .. and you learn about a safe country where there is so much food that it lays rotting in fields because there aren’t enough workers to harvest it …

There is plenty of space here. There is plenty of money albeit concentrated in the hands of a tiny, excessively wealthy minority - something that a decent Chancellor would do something about - except that he is one of the tiny excessively wealthy minority so he won’t.

In some affluent places there is more land devoted to golf courses than housing. It has been estimated that all of Britain’s golf courses cover an area roughly equivalent to the whole of Greater Manchester. Retired men chasing a small ball around while young men risk everything they have, including their lives, to get to a better place. How many more people have to drown? How many more have to suffocate in the backs of lorries?

I’ve listened to Jenrick dodging questions again and again on why we do not build more home. NIMBYs don’t want them, of course, because an ample supply of decent homes for everybody means their own home won’t continue to rocket in value. And then there are the people who own second homes. Over three quarters of a million at the last count. Over 750,000 homes sitting empty for most of the time.

The problem isn’t that people want to come here. We need new blood. We need more workers. You don’t need a large command of English to do many of the jobs that are available and once you become immersed in a new country and community you soon pick up the language. The problem is that this government has repeated failed to plan for population growth. Far easier to blame their own lack of planning onto poor people especially migrants.

I’ve long said I would love to see every migrant withdraw their labour for a day and watch the country grind to a halt, just to show the people who seem to despise them what a valuable contribution they make. Who will diagnose your illness, nurse you in hospital, drive the bus, deliver the mail, pick your food, clean your grandchild’s school, sew your £1 T shirt … ?

Give someone a home, give them honest work, give them a chance. Walk a mile in someone else's shoes. Have some compassion.