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Archbishop of Canterbury Easter message “ Rwanda is an affront to God”

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Whitewavemark2 Sun 17-Apr-22 02:05:03

For those who want British and Christian values to be upheld in the face of an apparent onslaught from other faiths and values.

This is the head of the official church in the U.K. who speaks for British and Christian values

“This season is also "why there are such serious ethical questions about sending asylum seekers overseas", the archbishop will say.
His sermon continues: "The details are for politics. The principle must stand the judgment of God, and it cannot.
"It cannot carry the weight of resurrection justice, of life conquering death. It cannot carry the weight of the resurrection that was first to the least valued, for it privileges the rich and strong."
Mr Welby will say the plan "cannot carry the weight of our national responsibility as a country formed by Christian values".
"Subcontracting out our responsibilities, even to a country that seeks to do well like Rwanda, is the opposite of the nature of God who himself took responsibility for our failures," the sermon will say.

The archbishop's Easter sermon will also make reference to the "the greatest cost-of-living crisis we have known", saying that families across the country are "waking up to cold homes and empty stomachs".

He will say the struggle to pay for essentials is their first thought of the day and they feel "overwhelmed by the pressures".

"He hears the cry of the mothers in Ukraine, he sees the fear of boys too young to become soldiers, and he knows the vulnerability of the orphans and refugees.

Closer to home, he sees the humiliation of the grandparent visiting the food bank for the first time, the desperate choice of parents in poverty and the grief and weariness of the pandemic."

Sometimes I think I am going mad when I read some opinions on so many threads that seem to fly in the face that is decent and fair, but then I listen to people like Welby and my world becomes balanced again

volver Wed 20-Apr-22 11:01:39

Refugees living in a cottage at Lambeth Palace since 2015.

Look things up before you make sweeping statements, eh?

But somebody will be along in a minute to ask why they are not living actually in the Palace, you know, in the Great Hall?

(I'm an atheist. I disagree with the wealth diverted into the churches and their place in British society. You know things are bad when I'm defending the AoC.)

Nancat Wed 20-Apr-22 10:52:59

I haven't seen any news that the AoC has offered any rooms in either Lambeth Palace or the Old Palace for refugees. Do as I say, not as I do???????

Whitewavemark2 Wed 20-Apr-22 10:29:34

volver

Is Patel sitting on Truss's knee?

She looked like the poison dwarf.

Callistemon21 Wed 20-Apr-22 10:22:11

GeorgyGirl

I am not getting into any arguments, I have stated my view, we will just have to agree to disagree, we are all entitled to our views and I do not wish to make any further comments as I find some comments on here rather inflammatory.

Mine was perfectly polite.

GeorgyGirl Wed 20-Apr-22 09:20:04

I am not getting into any arguments, I have stated my view, we will just have to agree to disagree, we are all entitled to our views and I do not wish to make any further comments as I find some comments on here rather inflammatory.

GrauntyHelen Wed 20-Apr-22 03:50:46

Some of you have a very strange idea about politics and religion not mixing Christianity and politics most definitely must mix and if you are Christian you are called to speak out on matters political WWJD just that !

DaisyAnne Tue 19-Apr-22 22:35:19

StoneofDestiny

*It's a shame that god isn't doing something about the Ukraine situation, not to mention the other iniquities going on in the world*

It's mankind's mess. Don't think too many faiths believe in any supreme being who zaps bad people from the heavens above. We have Free Will - and we can choose to do good or bad with that.

We could try adopting the old Greek Gods StoneofDestiny. They did a fair bit of zapping.

DaisyAnne Tue 19-Apr-22 22:31:37

GeorgyGirl

The Church should not get involved in politics and Welby should not have used Easter to give his views, it isn't his job, he should have concentrated on the Christian Easter message.

GeorgyGirl I wonder if you know that there are 26 Lords Spiritual in the House of Lords. (The rest of the Lords are collectively known as Lords Temporal.) They often speak in debates - that is why they are there. The House of Lords currently has a place in our democracy.

"Welby", as you chose to call him, is the senior bishop and principal leader of the Church of England, the Established church of this country since 1555. If you think he should not give his views at Easter, I wonder when you think it would be appropriate?

There seems to be some idea on the far-right that being "British" is what they want it to be today, not the reality of the history that created it. They seem to know little or nothing about our democracy or the history that brought it about. Nothing is "British" except what they want it to be; that is often simply rage and insult. Why is the level of knowledge of those who think they can tell everyone else what should happen in our country, so appallingly poor?

StoneofDestiny Tue 19-Apr-22 19:58:28

It's a shame that god isn't doing something about the Ukraine situation, not to mention the other iniquities going on in the world

It's mankind's mess. Don't think too many faiths believe in any supreme being who zaps bad people from the heavens above. We have Free Will - and we can choose to do good or bad with that.

Callistemon21 Tue 19-Apr-22 19:58:14

GeorgyGirl

The Church should not get involved in politics and Welby should not have used Easter to give his views, it isn't his job, he should have concentrated on the Christian Easter message.

Easter is always the time when religious leaders around the world broadcast their messages.

What would you describe as an Easter message?

StoneofDestiny Tue 19-Apr-22 19:54:21

IMO religion and politics do mix and must do so, when clergy speak out against depraved morals and ethics.

No one who truly believes in Christ's teachings could countenance a plan like the one the Archbishop is speaking out at, any more than Desmond Tutu could ever have accepted apartheid, which as we all know, he spoke against, whenever he could

Exactly. Evil exists where the good people do nothing. .

GeorgyGirl Tue 19-Apr-22 19:49:40

The Church should not get involved in politics and Welby should not have used Easter to give his views, it isn't his job, he should have concentrated on the Christian Easter message.

varian Tue 19-Apr-22 18:57:37

Nannina

Galaxy

I loathe what is going on with Johnson and his band of incompetents but I have no interest in what the archbishop of canterbury thinks of it all.

Likewise-no doubt he’ll be in the House of Lords soon!

The Archbishop of Canterbury is already leading member of the House of Lords, along with as load of other Church of England bishops.

I think that Justin Welby is an intelligent thoughtful person who contributes positively to the national debate, but there is absolutely no justification for him and the rest of his bishops having a priviliged place in our legislature.

We need a comprehensive constitutional reform - to include the monarchy, House of Lords and most urgently our First Past The Post voting system which has enabled Johnson and his well funded Tory cronies to become an effective dictatorship for five years on the basis of an 80 seat majority of MPs elected by a minority of votes.

It is high time we stopped boasting about British democracy and actually became a democracy where we could only be governed by politicians supported by an actual majority of the voters. .

Callistemon21 Tue 19-Apr-22 17:47:58

Nannina

Galaxy

I loathe what is going on with Johnson and his band of incompetents but I have no interest in what the archbishop of canterbury thinks of it all.

Likewise-no doubt he’ll be in the House of Lords soon!

confused
Do you mean the Archbishop of Canterbury? He already is

Or Johnson? Of course - where else!

Callistemon21 Tue 19-Apr-22 17:45:43

Caleo

'Staunch' is a word I have read but never heard anyone using and I never said it all my life. I probably won't try it out sometime as it connotes a righty buttering somebody up.

It sounds like 'haunch' so I think of a righty with great big thighs and buttocks.

I'll try to never use it again!

Wondering what to use instead for my DF?
Somehow the word staunch seems apposite.

volver Tue 19-Apr-22 17:04:54

Is Patel sitting on Truss's knee?

volver Tue 19-Apr-22 17:00:43

wokerati

Crikey

Bridie22 Tue 19-Apr-22 16:56:17

Totally agree pce612

pce612 Tue 19-Apr-22 16:48:45

It's a shame that god isn't doing something about the Ukraine situation, not to mention the other iniquities going on in the world.

grandtanteJE65 Tue 19-Apr-22 16:46:29

I am heartily in agreement with the Archbishop.

But in the interest of truth, may I point out that he is the head of the Church of England not the head of the "official church in the U.K."

There is actually no such thing, as Scotland has its own church, the Presbyterian Church of Scotland, which aknowledges neither bishops nor archbishops. Which is not to say that the Moderator of the Church of Scotland is not in agreement with the Archbishop of Canterbury on this issue, as doubtless the Pope is too.

IMO religion and politics do mix and must do so, when clergy speak out against depraved morals and ethics.

No one who truly believes in Christ's teachings could countenance a plan like the one the Archbishop is speaking out at, any more than Desmond Tutu could ever have accepted apartheid, which as we all know, he spoke against, whenever he could.

volver Tue 19-Apr-22 16:46:07

I just heard her accuse the opposite benches of being xenophobic. You couldn't make it up.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 19-Apr-22 16:28:54

Listening to Patel.

She doesn’t exactly instil confidence does she? Her rhetoric is so poor, and is unable to answer nearly all the questions.

Bluecat Tue 19-Apr-22 16:10:58

Historically, the Christian Church has always been involved in politics, often giving its blessing to violent and oppressive actions. I am not referring to specific denominations but to the Church as a whole. Of course, it has also backed charitable deeds as well. If the Church of England now chooses to speak up on behalf of people who are being crushed by the present government's policies, surely that's a good use of its political influence. It is involved in our political system anyway, due to its presence in the House of Lords.

I was amused to see the usual outcry by the Tory rags, particularly the one which described Welby as "virtue signalling." (I think it was The Telegraph.) As someone said, surely "virtue signalling" is the Archbishop of Canterbury's job.

sandelf Tue 19-Apr-22 16:05:58

So, what WOULD Jesus do? What do you do? Clearly people persecuted should be helped. How do we establish someone's circumstances after they have come here? How do we discourage dishonesty on the part of applicants for asylum and those who provide (for large amounts of money or 'favour') travel?

StoneofDestiny Tue 19-Apr-22 15:27:19

We have suddenly found £21 million pounds to send to Rwanda, an undemocratic county. Ever think why that wasn't put into the pop to solve some long term domestic problems?