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Widdecombe isn’t all that staunch - she isn’t listening to the pope

“So the Pope the head of largest Christian following is saying the British Government is acting without Christian values.”

Does she listen to anyone?

varian

Callistemon21

Anne is a staunch Roman Catholic too and a member of the Conservative Christian Fellowship

I know this may be a very trivial comment but I do wonder why the adjective "staunch" is so often applied to Conservatives, and sometimes to Roman Catholics , but never to Liberals or Socialists or Jews or Muslims or Humanists?

Is this a useful term for the right wing propagandists who control most of our national press?

I just thought it was strange that two politicians who are staunch Roman Catholics would say those things - perhaps it's a Catholic -v- Anglican difference of opinion.

I'm sorry if you failed to understand that, varian

Widdecombe isn’t all that staunch - she isn’t listening to the pope

“So the Pope the head of largest Christian following is saying the British Government is acting without Christian values.”

Yes, it is a trivial comment and not true either.

When I said "Yes it is" I was replying to this by varian:

why the adjective "staunch" is so often applied to Conservatives, and sometimes to Roman Catholics , but never to Liberals or Socialists or Jews or Muslims or Humanists?

Staunch
adjective
very loyal and committed in attitude.
"a staunch supporter of the anti-nuclear lobby"

Cambridge Dictionary:

staunch
adjective

^always loyal in supporting a person, organization, or set of beliefs or opinions^:
a staunch friend and ally
He gained a reputation as being a staunch defender/supporter of civil rights

Liberals or Socialists or Jews or Muslims or Humanists?
Some of whom may be just as staunch in their beliefs, surely?
Or are you saying they're half-hearted?

varian

Callistemon21

Anne is a staunch Roman Catholic too and a member of the Conservative Christian Fellowship

I know this may be a very trivial comment but I do wonder why the adjective "staunch" is so often applied to Conservatives, and sometimes to Roman Catholics , but never to Liberals or Socialists or Jews or Muslims or Humanists?

Is this a useful term for the right wing propagandists who control most of our national press?

Yes it is.

My Dad was staunch Labour.

This is a classic text book populist government.

Populations who are unfortunate to be landed with such a government never thrive, nor are at peace with their fellow citizens. Look at the anger on here directed towards immigrants. This will continue until we vote in a social democratic

They are subject to divide and rule that is absolutely characteristic of populist governments.

Callistemon21

Anne is a staunch Roman Catholic too and a member of the Conservative Christian Fellowship

I know this may be a very trivial comment but I do wonder why the adjective "staunch" is so often applied to Conservatives, and sometimes to Roman Catholics , but never to Liberals or Socialists or Jews or Muslims or Humanists?

Is this a useful term for the right wing propagandists who control most of our national press?

volver

Sorry GG13, it was the radio so we couldn't see him. But I just listened on iPlayer again and yes, it is Steve Chalke.

Oops I thought you meant his Channel 5 TV show.

Steve Chalke is such an interesting man.

Sorry GG13, it was the radio so we couldn't see him. But I just listened on iPlayer again and yes, it is Steve Chalke.

Oh he is also an ordained minister.

volver

There was some chap called Steven (?) on Jeremy Vine just now, on with Anne Widdecome. Anne was doing her usual sermonising and explaining why we need to do things that are illegal and unpleasant. Turns out Steven, as well as being some kind of church minister, had for 8 years been an advisor to the UN on people trafficking and said that if he was on Mastermind that this would be his specialist subject . He ran rings round her, explained how what she was proposing wouldn't work, he knew the relevant laws, and when they had been passed, and pointed out that Anne knew all that too but was probably just ignoring it.

I liked him

I didn’t see the programme but was it Steve Chalke rather handsome with grey hair? Very up on all things related to human rights.

He runs a chain of schools now in S E London I believe.

Or was

Anne is a staunch Roman Catholic too and a member of the Conservative Christian Fellowship

There was some chap called Steven (?) on Jeremy Vine just now, on with Anne Widdecome. Anne was doing her usual sermonising and explaining why we need to do things that are illegal and unpleasant. Turns out Steven, as well as being some kind of church minister, had for 8 years been an advisor to the UN on people trafficking and said that if he was on Mastermind that this would be his specialist subject . He ran rings round her, explained how what she was proposing wouldn't work, he knew the relevant laws, and when they had been passed, and pointed out that Anne knew all that too but was probably just ignoring it.

I liked him

Jaberwok

Still no condemnation of the traffickers ? I feel sure that Jesus would have had a word or two to say about them. He certainly had plenty to say in the temple aged 12. Money changers, House of God into a den of thieves and so on. But for these wicked traffickers,the government wouldn't be forced to do anything. Surely our eminent Archbishop can understand that and condemn them too?

You can get rid of the traffickers at one stroke.

Provide safe passage for the asylum seekers and a quick and civilised way of dealing with their application.

Doesn’t suite Patel though does it?

Its a bit scary this.

Everyone agrees that the people traffickers are bad.

Man of God tells us that the hare-brained scheme magicked up by the government won't do anything to help, and is in fact a bad thing.

Lots of finger pointing then ensues and accusations that he must support the traffickers then.

Its like the Witch Trials.

Jaberwok

Still no condemnation of the traffickers ? I feel sure that Jesus would have had a word or two to say about them. He certainly had plenty to say in the temple aged 12. Money changers, House of God into a den of thieves and so on. But for these wicked traffickers,the government wouldn't be forced to do anything. Surely our eminent Archbishop can understand that and condemn them too?

Oh, FGS. If it weren't for those 'wicked traffickers' asylum seekers wouldn't be able to get to where they desperately want to be, the UK. There are no safe routes for them. That's what Patel is after, no asylum seekers at all.

If only it were as easy as putting your wife and child on a donkey and going to Egypt to escape a king trying to obliterate male children of a certain age...

As Jaberwok said

Still no condemnation of the traffickers ? I feel sure that Jesus would have had a word or two to say about them. He certainly had plenty to say in the temple aged 12. Money changers, House of God into a den of thieves and so on. But for these wicked traffickers,the government wouldn't be forced to do anything. Surely our eminent Archbishop can understand that and condemn them too?

In the way the church treated women and gay people? Or was that the church and not Jesus. If that was the church then how can we trust the church to be representative of Jesus now.

I do not believe that Jesus would ever be ‘party’ political, but undoubtedly he would stand up for the poor and the dispossessed, and against oppression and those wielding power unjustly.

He wouldn't vote Tory.

What would Jesus say?

The press this morning are reporting MPs who have called the Archbishop's sermon a 'rant'.

It reminds me of Grannyactivists post about the Nolan principles. Standards of conduct and the normal expectations of decency upheld by most people mean nothing to these MPs.

Caleo

Archbishop Welby is a proper priest and moral leader. The churches would be better if all priests were like him, translating the message of Jesus into practical politics.

I was going to post something similar Caleo

The C of E is the Established Church in England and its leader, the Archbishop of Canterbury, therefore has the right to express his views as he should be the moral compass of Christians in England and of the Anglican church worldwide.
Isn't it part of his job is to prick the conscience of the politicians and the government of the day?

Gentle Jesus, meek and mild was anything but meek and mild.