Boris Johnson - Apology? Respect?

He is a disgrace and must go. He stuffed his Cabinet with Brexiteers which explains their low quality and support for the indefensible.

Oops, forgot to link:

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2022/04/20/knocking-the-tories-about-as-happened-yesterday-is-all-well-and-good-but-knocking-them-out-is-what-is-required/

Interesting comment from Richard Murphy, the bit I've bolded.

This will not, not course, prevent Tory MPs voting to support him in any vote on a referral to the Standards Committee on Thursday. They will be three line whipped. But there will be many more than Mark Harper MP, who was the only Tory to tell Johnson to go, who will have their doubts about supporting Johnson in that vote. Any in their number who wants to be in a future, non-Johnson, government will have to think very hard about voting to protect a Prime Minister who will seemingly inevitably, and soon, be found guilty of deliberate criminal acts for which on possible excuse can be found. Sunak has already sacrificed his career to support Johnson. How many others will note that, and hold back?

Do you think that voting to support Johnson could affect MP's future careers, (in the slim chance that we get a decent tory party back which looks for ministers who have some actual ability and can satisfy the Ministerial Code)?

I’m haven’t got that sort of faith in Tory MPs at the moment. I suspect the vote would be much the same with or without the whip because they are all such duffers.

Casdon

I don’t know MaizieD, BBC, ITV and Sky weren’t reporting that the whip had happened. Maybe it has and they just don’t know!

Probably - I think the vote would be different without the whip.

I expect that Murdoch has given Johnson his orders, Casdon

I don’t know MaizieD, BBC, ITV and Sky weren’t reporting that the whip had happened. Maybe it has and they just don’t know!

Aaaaaah. Front page of The Times:

Boris Johnson will order his MPs to block an investigation into claims that he mislead Parliament over lockdown breaking parties in Downing Street

twitter.com/search?q=Three%20line%20whip&src=typed_query

Whitewavemark2

Well let’s see how they vote.

Would you like a bet?

I’m not saying they won’t get a whip, just that they hadn’t so far. It’s just delaying the execution.

Re Three line whip, I picked it up from this tweet by Adam Wagner (barrister) this morning. Not sure what his source is, though

Adam Wagner@AdamWagner1

Not sure that whipping Conservative MPs to avoid a parliamentary standards investigation of the PM, where it’s obvious the fear is the committee’s power to demand documents, is the best look in the circumstances

twitter.com/AdamWagner1/status/1516664600833531906

Apologies if I've spread duff information.

Whitewavemark2

Callistemon21

Whitewavemark2

How did we reach a point where men like Tory MPs haven’t either the balls or the integrity to kick him out.

None of them are up to it imo.

Even a so called good constituent MP can’t be that good if he has no spine.

None of them are up to it imo

Mark Harper spoke up in The House!!

One - out of 300+

There must be a reason why he's not Chief Whip any longer; he's too principled!

He just lied again about more people being in employment since before covid. Hasn’t this been proved to be a lie several times , or am I getting it confused with other lies? And, if it was a lie he didn’t even need to say it. He just can’t help himself.

Well let’s see how they vote.

Would you like a bet?

Whitewavemark2

Anyone defending Johnson should be confident that a House of Commons Standards committee would find him innocent I& the charges of flouting the ministerial code.

But

There is a three line whip to vote against it.

That tells you all you need to know about their confidence doesn’t it?

There isn’t a three line whip as yet is there? I can’t find anywhere on the news that there is.

Anyone defending Johnson should be confident that a House of Commons Standards committee would find him innocent I& the charges of flouting the ministerial code.

But

There is a three line whip to vote against it.

That tells you all you need to know about their confidence doesn’t it?

Callistemon21

Whitewavemark2

How did we reach a point where men like Tory MPs haven’t either the balls or the integrity to kick him out.

None of them are up to it imo.

Even a so called good constituent MP can’t be that good if he has no spine.

None of them are up to it imo

Mark Harper spoke up in The House!!

One - out of 300+

For context; I too have shared my sympathy with Tory voters who loathe the Johnson administration and are angered by the destruction of the morals of the party they voted for. I save my anger for those who still won't admit what is going on in plain sight.

Whitewavemark2

How did we reach a point where men like Tory MPs haven’t either the balls or the integrity to kick him out.

None of them are up to it imo.

Even a so called good constituent MP can’t be that good if he has no spine.

None of them are up to it imo

Mark Harper spoke up in The House!!

Excellent post MaiziD, and I share your frustration and fury. The more people vote for the 'nice constituency MP' the longer we will be left with this shameful government and shameless PM. Just remember, your 'nice constituency MP' is propping up this liar and his cabinet, and is one of the spineless backbenchers who bray at the opposition and cheer when the liar in chief stands up to spew out more lies make a speech. Did anyone else see that toe curling street interview of Rees-Mogg on Newsnight? Now he is one we are assured is a 'nice constituency MP'.

MaizieD

^As for the MPs, I hope they allow a free vote on Thursday so the ones with a conscience can vote as they wish.^

Nope, there's a three line whip..

One would hope that that would be enough to send the letters flooding in to the 1922 committee. There must be some decent tory MPs, surely, who are furious at the appalling things they are to do to save Johnson's worthless skin.

I should point out, Casdon, that I have offered my respect to GG13 on several occasions regarding her political homelessness. Today I'm just mad at all the enablers of this dreadful abortion of a government.

Okay, I just don’t like to see personal attacks on somebody who admits what’s happening is wrong.
According to BBC News there isn’t a three line whip - yet. I expect there will be though. His demise as PM is inevitable. You can see it playing out, there will doubtless be more fines to follow, and ultimately a free vote will be allowed at which point he will go, having delayed his own execution by months when they could already be sorting out his successor.

Bj isn`t very poular on G/net then." lighthearted".

I thought Starmers statement was one of the best he has done.

It was notable that there was a complete silence of discomfort at the end of Starmer’s speech before the pack wound themselves up for more support for the lying criminal.

How did we reach a point where men like Tory MPs haven’t either the balls or the integrity to kick him out.

None of them are up to it imo.

Even a so called good constituent MP can’t be that good if he has no spine.

A damning interview on Sky News with Sir Roger Gale who basically said Johnson just doesn’t take partygate seriously. It just reminds me of that school report of Johnson’s that just said he doesn’t think any rules apply to him. He has never changed and he never will. How did we reach the point where men like him can become PM?

It is so like Russia and Putin - a hard core group of cronies who dare not kick him out; backbenchers afraid of starting a vote of no confidence because they do not want to scupper their careers. The parallels are terrifying frankly.

And he is left free to do what he likes: lie, cheat, ignore parliamentary rules