Nationalism the fashionable form of government

Urmstongran

I think Indy2 should go ahead. ‘Once in a generation’ isn’t cutting it for some. Best to crack on and decide once and for all. But if it fails no best of 3! Time to put this uncertainty to bed and move forward in whatever way the Scottish voters decide.

We come back to facts and fiction Urmstongran. What, in your life's experience persuaded you, that an individual rather than the law, got to choose. Why did you miss the bit of education that tells you that is not the case?

If the 'best of three' is legal, your views are superfluous.

Politics is about the law and is based on law. The rest is flummery.

Callistemon21

Wasn't supposed to be once in a generation?
A generation could be 16 years, it could be 40 in some families.

It is generally reckoned to be about 25 years so only another 17 years to wait.

Callistemon21
Wasn't supposed to be once in a generation?

I come back to the bit I don't understand. Why did you believe that was a fact when it was only party spin?

What did you miss out on in life that meant you didn't understand the difference? If you thought they were telling you facts do you now blame them or yourself for being conned?

It's very puzzling.

Cathymac

volver

Oh, and Cathymac. 34% is 1 in 3, not 1 in 7.

Yes I made a mistake. It was 34% of the vote share …. And I
Meant to say that was 1 in 7 of the total population. I do agree that an Indy ref would be different because there would be a much higher turnout…. The SNP is the largest party in terms of seats. , but it does not make nationalism the most popular. Nationalism gained about 500 seats and the rest about 600.

Actually on re reading… I did say 1 in 7 of the population in my original post.

volver

Oh, and Cathymac. 34% is 1 in 3, not 1 in 7.

Yes I made a mistake. It was 34% of the vote share …. And I
Meant to say that was 1 in 7 of the total population. I do agree that an Indy ref would be different because there would be a much higher turnout…. The SNP is the largest party in terms of seats. , but it does not make nationalism the most popular. Nationalism gained about 500 seats and the rest about 600.

I think Indy2 should go ahead. ‘Once in a generation’ isn’t cutting it for some. Best to crack on and decide once and for all. But if it fails no best of 3! Time to put this uncertainty to bed and move forward in whatever way the Scottish voters decide.

Oh my goodness, I found the source. ?

What kind of sites are you following Aveline? ?

Maybe if there’s an Indy2 in Scotland and the majority vote for it (which I doubt but just suppose they did) then the abysmal governance by the SNP can be sidelined and handed over to another party as independence will have been sorted. And if Indy2 fails to bring the result the SNP are hoping for, perhaps people will stop voting for them? Well, apart from Glasgow & Dundee.

There's a serious conversation to be had about how Scotland is being run and should be run.

Any election material which blames the SNP for "perverse school sex education" and repeats lies about the misleading of parliament has already shown that they are not acting as serious interlocutors.

Is this one of Murdo's?

Sums it up

Oh aye. A dictatorship.

North Korea look to Scotland for ideas about how to go about things. ?

I am Scottish...live in Scotland and I totally agree with you. Scotland under SNP is in a huge mess and it would be catastrophic for us to break away from the UK. We would be in a dictatorship....which we are almost in at the moment under Nicola Sturgeon.

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I honestly had not seen this before I posted last night. It's good though.?

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Yogagran70

Once in a generation is at least 25 years, not 8/9 years, the majority of people in Scotland are fed up with all the bitterness that has been caused in Scotland by this, Scotland used to be a happy place to live but not now, especially for English people, sad

Is question whether the majority of people are fed up. I'm pretty happy. My DH, who is English by birth, is pretty happy. My parents are very content indeed. Just spent the evening with some friends. All professionals or retired professionals, mixed independence supporters and unionists. They're all pretty happy. Some of them are even English.

But then none of us are miserable sods who sulk if we don't get our own way.

Once in a generation is at least 25 years, not 8/9 years, the majority of people in Scotland are fed up with all the bitterness that has been caused in Scotland by this, Scotland used to be a happy place to live but not now, especially for English people, sad

People can all conjure up all the excuses they like about why we shouldn't have another referendum.

But the political party who offered the people a referendum were elected to government. All the stamping of little feet and beating of little fists you can muster won't change that.

Wasn't supposed to be once in a generation?
A generation could be 16 years, it could be 40 in some families.

It is generally reckoned to be about 25 years so only another 17 years to wait.

Aveline

But we already voted on independence and said no. Why do it again? It'll only reopen the already nasty divide and the continuing uncertainty will lead to further economic stagnation. What if we vote no again? Will SNP keep trying? If so, why?

Because that's how democracy works. There are so many weird ideas around. I wonder what made you think that one referendum is all you can have?

Oh, and Cathymac. 34% is 1 in 3, not 1 in 7.

And if a government is elected on a manifesto that includes offering the population a referendum, then they have to offer the electorate a referendum

That's how it works in this country.

And however you cut it, the SNP/Green coalition are the government of Scotland. So we can magic up all the polls we want Yogagran70, and make irrelevant analyses of the voting in the recent local elections Cathymac, but the Scottish Government was elected on a manifesto that included offering the electorate a referendum.

Ergo....

Maybe tory should be removed from our ballot papers ,we dont vote for them
But if there is a candidate they have to be on the ballot paper even if they end up losing their deposit.

wheniwasyourage a referendum is different from a general election!

I always thought DEMOCRACY meant you were allowed to vote on the same issues more than once....oops seems I got it wrong or does that only apply to everyone who isnt living in Scotland ?

It means you have to keep voting until you give the right answer ?

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volver

This the constant chorus from people who think they are exposing the truth, that the majority of people do not vote SNP or for independence is getting very wearing.

More people voted for the SNP in first preference votes than voted for any other party. That's why they keep winning elections. There's a trend across social media right now to selectively pick on one aspect of the voting and try to pretend it changes things; it doesn't. The SNP keep winning elections. That's it.

And the last time we voted for independence, a majority didn't want it. That's the only time we've been asked. Polls and newspaper opinion pieces don't count. If we are asked again then we can say what the outcome is. Not until then.

More people did vote for the SNP in first preference vote…. but as an overall percentage of the Scottish people it was very low .
34.1 %. of the population voted SNP. One in seven of the population. Add in the Greens who also support independence …. 6 %. Of the vote. So about 41 % .
The majority of the Scottish population did not vote for an Independence Party. I did not include Alba as their votes were so low. Now we all know that these were council elections and people may vote differently in an Indy Ref. .. also there would be a bigger turnout. But looks like on that showing that the Independence parties still have a bit to go .