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Tory MP blames food bank use on people not knowing how to cook or budge

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GagaJo Wed 11-May-22 17:55:13

Who votes these ar**s in?

A Tory MP has been widely condemned after suggesting people use food banks because “generation after generation” of people in the UK cannot cook or budget properly.

Ashfield MP Lee Anderson told the House of Commons there wasn't a “massive use” for food banks in this country.

uk.yahoo.com/news/tory-mp-lee-anderson-food-banks-143349974.html

Smileless2012 Fri 13-May-22 20:24:07

At the moment a property rented out by a private landlord has to have an E rating. It's proposed that by 2025 all must be a C Piskey.

You're right that improving energy efficiency may result in higher rents and our EPC adviser has said that there'll be older properties where it simply isn't possible to get above a D, which may well result in fewer properties owned by private landlords.
As he says, many private homes are not at the levels that may be expected from private rentals.

growstuff Fri 13-May-22 20:25:45

He's the new face of the Conservative Party, which is why so many traditional Conservative voters are turning against them.

Dickens Fri 13-May-22 20:46:37

growstuff

He's the new face of the Conservative Party, which is why so many traditional Conservative voters are turning against them.

There is now a world of difference between 'traditional' Conservatives / Conservative voters.

Johnson and his cabal are a completely different kettle of fish... as many former Conservative voters will testify.

OakDryad Fri 13-May-22 20:56:09

Ah ha! I now see where the 30p meal claim comes from.

In November 2021, a pro chef went to Asda and spent £50.24 on food. He and a team of people cooked in the kitchens of Academy Transformation Trust Further Education (ATTFE) and produced a tray of:

chilli con carne
sweet potato curry
beef casserole
spag bol
sausage casserole

In the background were a couple of boxes of cereal and milk.

Anderson claims that the £50 produced 170 meals which I suspect is because the people sampling the food were eating out of small polystyrene cups. £50 divided by 170 is 30p.

I don't need to spell out what's not factored into the sums.

Here's the video:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt8fEcV-zXA

DaisyAnne Fri 13-May-22 21:19:47

Just watched a Sky report from Blackpool. More people are dying there than are being born. One man who has "always had enough to get by" said he had a slice of bread and either half a tin of beans or, I think it was, Hoola hoops in the evening. He did have something for breakfast but nothing during the day.

This has not happened overnight; this has been a decade-plus of Tory misrule. It is a deliberate manipulation of society.

growstuff Fri 13-May-22 21:33:27

OakDryad I think it was actually Aldi, but you're right. The people were eating very small portions and there was pasta to accompany the meals, but no veg or salad.

OakDryad Fri 13-May-22 21:57:47

growstuff

OakDryad I think it was actually Aldi, but you're right. The people were eating very small portions and there was pasta to accompany the meals, but no veg or salad.

Yes, Aldi. My mistake. Thanks growstuff. It was nearly all heavy and meat-based - not balanced at all. We didn't see the itemised shopping list to see if it included the oil and butter which were on the table with the other raw ingredients or the spices which were used. Tiny portions, prices from six months ago, cooking on a large scale, cost of fuel not factored in. Mr I've worked down't pit all my life (no you haven't) isn't being truthful or realistic.

Doodledog Fri 13-May-22 23:26:04

I can do all the practical tasks you mentioned and I didn't learn about any of them at school. I learnt on a "need to know" basis because I can read books/instructions and search the internet. Meanwhile, I learnt content and skills at school which I could never have picked up casually.
Well good for you. But not all children can, and not all are growing up in households where they are taught to do so.

And before you decide what I am thinking, I am not directing that at ‘the poor’. I remember my son’s friend (from a solidly middle class family) being amazed that I was making chips out of potatoes. He asked if I knew you could buy them in Sainsburys?. When he’d tried them, he asked me to give his mum the recipe.

I am not saying that ‘the poor’ need to be educated differently from anyone else. I don’t think that ‘the poor’ can’t cook. I don’t blame schools or the poor for food poverty. I do, however, think that a utilitarian approach to education is less likely to succeed than a holistic one, and that belief does not in any way align me with the new face of Conservatism, which is something I find abhorrent.

I repeat that I blame the government 100% for the situation we are in, and repeat that I think it is shameful.

growstuff Fri 13-May-22 23:31:37

I don't agree, so maybe we should leave it there. It's what elementary schools and secondary mods used to teach. I am extremely glad that I didn't waste precious time in school learning stuff I could learn elsewhere.

growstuff Fri 13-May-22 23:34:14

Yes, good for me. I grew up in a household, where my mother couldn't cook and abandoned the family when I was in my teens anyway. My father was alcoholic. Thankfully, I had an academic education and was able to move on. I could also read cook books and, later, websites.

growstuff Fri 13-May-22 23:35:05

Thankfully, my school knew how to educate girls to be something other than thrifty housewives.

MissAdventure Fri 13-May-22 23:38:08

I'm somewhere in between on this.
I can't see the point of the kind of cooking my boy did; £8 worth of ingredients.

Perhaps they could ask them to bring in anything that is going spare at home and do a "cobble this into a meal" type teaching.

It might be more interesting, too.

I found it so frustrating that my boys recipe was 2 spoons of flour sort of stuff.

Doodledog Fri 13-May-22 23:46:05

Where is this idea that cooking and budgeting is just for ‘housewives’ coming from? That’s the second time it’s been said in this thread.

Boys and men also cook, and many girls and women support themselves and their children. The days when girls were taught housecraft so they could get a man to keep them are long gone.

DiamondLily Sat 14-May-22 04:45:46

Anniel

DiamondLily, thank you for the link. I will not bother to post on this thread, but have read every post until I saw yours. I feel that because I am a Conservative the vast majority hate me which is clear. It matters not that many of us who are most elderly grew up in poverty and at times in adulthood money was short. People keep on about rich Conservative MPs with all their expenses. I would remind you that many Labour MPs are not poor! My parents were very poor but the whole family scraped together money to buy my uniform and I went to the Liverpool College For Girls on the scholarship in 1945. It was only education that allowed me to reach reasonable economic circumstances. I have always worked for public services and I not only knew poverty but worked with poor people. The nastiness on this thread is palpable. I wish we could have more reasonable conversations. There are some good points made but anyone who thinks the Conservative MP was making a reasonable argument is dismissed as an a**e in the OP. I had a quick look at the mumsnet thread and people were asking reasonable questions. We all lead different lives and I think live and let live is sometimes missing here. No matter. Once Labour get in to power I am sure it will be much better.

I don't hate Conservative supporters - my DH was a lifelong Tory voter, until Boris Johnson became leader.

I was a lifelong Labour voter, until Corbyn became leader.

We've had some lively conversations over the years lol ??

While Corbyn led Labour, I voted independent, and my husband does the same now when he votes.

Sometimes, it's not about the party itself, it's about the actual government.

My local Tory MP is a pretty helpful bloke. He's been in situ for years. I've got no problems with him, on a local level. From the emails I have exchanged with him, he's as appalled as I am with the behaviour of Johnson and co.

This particular MP, in respect of food banks, was talking nonsense.

He is completely out of touch with what is happening out there. ?

But, the fish rots from the head down, and with someone like Johnson at the helm, I'm not surprised at how some Tory MPs behave.

Ailidh Sat 14-May-22 06:13:33

Yesterday I'd been going to add here my personally thought-out though hardly new theory that there is an undeclared government policy of keeping "the poor" in their place by pushing carb heavy, sugar rich foods at them at bargain prices. It hit me about twenty years ago, walking round a well-known supermarket that used to claim there were more reasons to shop there that there were no special offers on fresh fruit or meat or veg but plenty bogofs on pies and buns.

If you're on a budget, of course you're going to buy what seems best value but a constant diet of low quality food is guaranteed to keep people unhealthy both mentally and physically.

Then I didn't post yesterday, because I thought I was being daft.

Number One on the BBC news app this morning - "Ministers delay ban on multi-buy junk food deals".
Maybe I'm not daft.

Chocolatelovinggran Sat 14-May-22 06:33:03

Dinahmo, thank you for bringing compassion and empathy to the discussion.
Volver, his view of the world is slewed, to put it mildly. Wherever his life journey started, he is now on an MP's salary, and to declare that he is not rich is disgraceful. Very very, few of us ( can't speak for everyone!) will ever have had that income.

Dickens Sat 14-May-22 08:03:41

Ailidh

Yesterday I'd been going to add here my personally thought-out though hardly new theory that there is an undeclared government policy of keeping "the poor" in their place by pushing carb heavy, sugar rich foods at them at bargain prices. It hit me about twenty years ago, walking round a well-known supermarket that used to claim there were more reasons to shop there that there were no special offers on fresh fruit or meat or veg but plenty bogofs on pies and buns.

If you're on a budget, of course you're going to buy what seems best value but a constant diet of low quality food is guaranteed to keep people unhealthy both mentally and physically.

Then I didn't post yesterday, because I thought I was being daft.

Number One on the BBC news app this morning - "Ministers delay ban on multi-buy junk food deals".
Maybe I'm not daft.

... it's not as daft as it might sound.

I don't think there's an actual 'undeclared' policy as such, but look at it this way.

To a libertarian government that embraces a free-market economy and 'small-state', the poor are a drain. They cost money that could be better used to give tax cuts to the more wealthy. But, something has to be done about them - they can't just be left to die on the streets (so to speak) en massse because even in our fractured, every-man-for-himself, individualistic society, people would be pretty appalled. Even though, to some extent, this is actually happening... ie, the homeless living, and sometimes dying, in their little one-man tents. Nearly every city-centre has them, and we've gradually become inured to the sight, there's a creeping acceptance of it.

I think the government's 'plan' is to do as little as is absolutely necessary. Junk food is obviously a staple of poor people's diet - it keeps them alive. So no ban on junk-food deals make sense.

We saw that food bank being opened - with the mayor beaming as if he was at the grand opening of some new local enterprise, instead of an outlet where the desperate and hungry turn to for a subsistence level of food. Does anyone remember that gentleman from Hartlepool on TV who said that he voted for the Tories because "they gave them more food banks"?

The whole thing is absurd. This is not Conservatism, this is an Executive running the country for its own benefit and that of those it represents. It gets away with it because the media and this current mob of Tories has successfully convinced people that the poor are the authors of their own misfortune (they can neither cook nor budget), or they are simply "scroungers" who've chosen benefits as a way of life. So we're are encouraged not to care. Then, of course, there's the "illegal" immigrants - all, apparently, living in 4 / 5 star hotels with a jacuzzi. Or they jump off their dinghies and are put straight into council accommodation - and if that's not available, they are housed in 5 bedroom houses purloined from the private rented sector. Of course, I exaggerate, but not by much.

Divide and rule. This is how it works. We fight each other. And all the time the very wealthy elite are sucking more and more money out of the economy, whilst the poor - who have nothing, no savings, no investments, put their paltry funds straight back into it in order to survive.

So I don't think there is a 'plan' as such, more a policy of just leaving things as they are. The poor are not important to the wealthy - as long as there are sufficient numbers of minions to do the menial jobs that are needed to keep society functioning, and there are, then it matters little or nothing to them if they simply just wither away, or die.

This is all a bit garbled, but you get my drift... I haven't had my morning coffee yet and my brain doesn't work properly until I get that first 'rush'.

BTW, I'm not anti-Conservative, this is not a rant against the traditional Conservative voter, even though I'm a bit left-of-centre. I have friends who are Conservative voters - the difference between them and this government, is chalk and cheese...

Whitewavemark2 Sat 14-May-22 08:06:43

Contributing to the cost of living crises. This should be used to increase wages.

Chocolatelovinggran Sat 14-May-22 08:15:58

Oh my, WW2, that's pretty terrifying ?

M0nica Sat 14-May-22 09:41:14

Oh dear, another example of ' haven't got a clue' experts.

Because I can feed 170 people for £50, it does not follow that one person, on their own, can prepare a meal for 30p.

Where can you buy 50grms of pasta, for example for the same weight for weight price as a large bag, quarter of an onion, half a teaspoon of mixed herbs?

The idea is so absurd that you have to be really really stupid not to see how flawed the idea is.

DiamondLily Sat 14-May-22 09:48:32

The Conservative Attorney General, Suella Braverman, caused more than a little laughter, on QT, when she claimed that single parents were better off, in this crisis, than they were a year ago:

uk.news.yahoo.com/top-tory-claims-single-mums-better-off-amid-cost-of-living-crisis-111638236.html

M0nica Sat 14-May-22 10:06:04

The reason that all the BOGOFs are on sweet carbs and not on fresh fruit and veg is because the profit margin on fruit and veg is usually quite slim.

Because the cost of raw ingredients (flour, sugar fat) for empty caloried foods like bread, cakes, biscuits are so cheap, these are the food items that supermarkets make their money on, they can sell them cheaply and make a high profit.

It also means that they can drop the price for BOGOFs and still make a profit. Drop the price on fruit and veg and they make a loss. I know people sometimes refer to these BOGOfs as 'loss' leaders, but they very rarely are.

Dickens Sat 14-May-22 11:07:46

DiamondLily

The Conservative Attorney General, Suella Braverman, caused more than a little laughter, on QT, when she claimed that single parents were better off, in this crisis, than they were a year ago:

uk.news.yahoo.com/top-tory-claims-single-mums-better-off-amid-cost-of-living-crisis-111638236.html

"I’m a conservative because I want to keep more of your money in your pockets not the governments," Braverman added - as the audience continued to laugh and heckle her.

Presumably she's referring to the lowering of income tax. Which will obviously appeal to the more affluent. A sure vote-winner. And which will do little or nothing for those who are on or close to the poverty line.

To attract investors we need a low-tax, low-wage economy with a "flexible" workforce. And I know exactly what that means. And so does she.

DiamondLily Sat 14-May-22 14:03:50

I'd like to pay less tax on our pensions, especially as the triple lock was dropped on the state one, but there are other and better priorities really.

Tax cuts would also help many low paid workers, but, as you say, would do nothing for those who don't pay tax.

A cut in VAT would help everyone, especially with fuel, but I can't see that happening.?

Ailidh Sat 14-May-22 14:57:38

Dickens: fascinating and terrifying, if someone wrote a book about a government that just didn't care enough about its poorest members in the hope that they would just wither away - in years gone by we would have said it was far fetched.