The loss of freedom of speech, of sidelining women and biology

Doodledog

AussieNanna
Who is going to check identity cards? We can't seriously expect there to be a security guard in every Ladies' loo, can we?

No, I thought perhaps some sort of proof of commitment might stop the "chancers", but it's not really going to work.

The only solution to loos is probably keep ladies loos for biological females, keep mens loos for biological men, and have an extra gender neutral lol, that anyone can use.

AussieNanna
Who is going to check identity cards? We can't seriously expect there to be a security guard in every Ladies' loo, can we?

If I'm due an examination, where I would like a woman to examine me, then that's what I want.

A female - a woman born of the female sex.

If I didn't care what biological sex I required, I'd say that to them.

The NHS states that dignity and privacy must be preserved, so I'd like mine preserving.

A man wanting to be a woman, or identifying as a woman, is still a biological male.

I don't know when it all got so complicated.?

It's not anti trans. It's a protected belief in this country. I dont believe in God this doesnt mean I am anti Christians.

Doodledog

That's exactly the sort of thing I read by following a link on Mumsnet, gdh.

I've slept badly ever since .

Seriously though - all the breast-beating about being kind, and not being bigoted, and letting people be their best selves is a joke when you see this sort of thing. If these intact men are invading our spaces in order to get their kicks in ways like this, where does it end? And what about our dignity and privacy?

This is one of the reasons why I distinguish between the surgically transitioned and those who claim to 'just know they are women'. The former group have at least made a commitment, whereas the latter could be anyone with any motive, and we have no way of knowing.

And if we complain, we are being unreasonable. It's utterly terrifying.

yes I agree on this - as people said about having some sort of registration card.

So those who have medically/surgically transitioned and are living their entire life as the other sex can be considered that sex
- yes I know they are not genetically so, but just refusing to acknowledge any transition or any gender dysmorphia does seem anti trans to me.

Mollygo

AN If you specifically do not want a transperson attending you then I think you should be specific in that and then the hospital can oblige if possible.
It should be sufficient for me to state that I want a female person attending me.
That way , the transwoman, who knows they are not female, regardless of whether they call themselves woman or not would, if they are honest not attend me.
I’m not anti trans, I simply feel that there are areas where women deserve their rights observed.

well everyone thinks they are not anti trans

I disagree about it should be sufficient though

if you have a specific request then be specific.

that goes for any request.

This is exactly why biological men, whatever they identify as, should not be allowed into women's toilets, or any other "intimate" spaces.

It's sick.?

I don't distinguish. They are all men.
It's time 'trans' people owned their reality as trans, instead of claiming to be the opposite sex .

Good grief. Just seen your post grannydarkhair and hoping I don't have nightmares.

That's exactly the sort of thing I read by following a link on Mumsnet, gdh.

I've slept badly ever since .

Seriously though - all the breast-beating about being kind, and not being bigoted, and letting people be their best selves is a joke when you see this sort of thing. If these intact men are invading our spaces in order to get their kicks in ways like this, where does it end? And what about our dignity and privacy?

This is one of the reasons why I distinguish between the surgically transitioned and those who claim to 'just know they are women'. The former group have at least made a commitment, whereas the latter could be anyone with any motive, and we have no way of knowing.

And if we complain, we are being unreasonable. It's utterly terrifying.

The last few posts have made me think about Robert De Niro's character in 'Meet the Focker's' (I think) when we wore an artificial breast to help with the feeding of his GS. I thought it was a joke!!! Not so sure now.

As for AGP men having a fetish about periods words fail me.

I always thought I was basically unshockable, especially after working for 27+years in care. Then I joined Twitter and found out that I wasn’t. Some of the posts by the AGPs would “gie ye the dry boak”.
One the other day claimed that he’s worked out the menstrual cycle of his “favourite” waitress in a local cafe, and ensures that he follows her into the UNISEX toilets once she’s come out when it’s that time of the month. And yes, removes her disposed of tampons/pads from the bin and takes them home. Now, whether or not this is true who knows, but he got lots of likes and favourable comments.

Since males do not naturally produce milk, what did this person take to enable the chest feeding to take place?
when I think of the list of things mothers (AHF) are advised not to drink or eat during pregnancy and breast feeding, is it now OK to sanction drugs which may affect a baby both now and in the future, just because a male want that?

FarNorth

You said it while I was writing post Doodledog.

Great minds think alike .

I want my mind to stop thinking about that now, though. It's such a horrible thought.

You said it while I was writing post Doodledog.

It seems to me that women are being phased out. How would things be if the woke community tried to dissolve Men? Yes, there would be a total uproar.

Thank heavens the swimming assoc (the name of I’ve forgotten) have come to their senses and excluded transwomen. Why can’t there be a separate class in sport for transwomen ?

Some men do fetishize those things too.

That's what I said .

Utterly selfish, putting their own needs before those of an infant.

To be clear - "A transgender mother who was born male" means a man.

Some men do fetishize those things too.

They'll claim to have period pains, they'll put some sort of red concoction inside themselves so it leaks out, they'll join antenatal and postnatal groups that are for mothers, they'll use hormones to produce some sort of discharge from their nipples and make their baby suck on it.

"A transgender mother who was born male has described how 'breastfeeding' her baby an hour after her wife gave birth to the boy helped affirm her as a woman and she feels proud."

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10859287/Transgender-paramedic-breastfed-newborn-baby-know-like-mum.html

" Newborn babies could be harmed by woke NHS-backed guidance which states transwomen can breastfeed by taking powerful drug, experts warn"

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-10892531/NHS-accused-putting-babies-harm-advice-trans-women-wanting-breastfeed.html

Sorry ?

Oh good grief!!

Those too, funnily enough . Although I understand from Mumsnet that there is a fetish about periods that causes some AGP men to lurk in women's loos (with an interest in sanitary bins).

Doodledog

Callistemon21

FarNorth

Some men are autogynephiles, AGPs, who get an erotic thrill from thinking of themselves as women.
No doubt, it's even more exciting for them if others, especially women, will go along with that idea.

Have they not realised that being a woman is generally not very exciting at all?

They just want the fetish side. Not the 20% lower pay, or the institutionalised sexism that women have to contend with. They don't get off on that side of 'feeling like a woman'.

Or periods, giving birth, menopause, those kind of womanly things?

Callistemon21

FarNorth

Some men are autogynephiles, AGPs, who get an erotic thrill from thinking of themselves as women.
No doubt, it's even more exciting for them if others, especially women, will go along with that idea.

Have they not realised that being a woman is generally not very exciting at all?

They just want the fetish side. Not the 20% lower pay, or the institutionalised sexism that women have to contend with. They don't get off on that side of 'feeling like a woman'.