Tory illegal campaign donation

Germanshepherdsmum

^Worried that these threads make people think^

Are you serious Daisy?

???

Are we being subjected to censorship?

I think we have a lot more access to news now than back then.
All there was were the newspapers and radio, most people didn't have a TV.

Would gossip have been considered treason?

HousePlantQueen

^Electoral Commission says it is looking into it^. but the problems is Oakdryad, that this corrupt administration is in the process of taking control of the previously independent Electoral Commissioners.

Of course. In the almost daily revelations of Tory mismanagemnt and manipulation. I'd forgotten that the bill passed last month:

Lord Sikka: “The Electoral Commission will now be under government control, with ministers not only making Conservative Party rules but will also make rules for other political parties and now anything about disclosure of donations, who can make a donation and whether a donation is unlawful that will be a ministerial decision.”

This disgusting government are chipping away at democracy becoming more and more like dictators. The next will be the bill in the Queen's Speech to allow ministers to overturn judicial decisions. Nothing at all to do with whatever dirty swap deal Patel has done with Rwanda over people who have already been given asylum here.

Electoral Commission says it is looking into it. but the problems is Oakdryad, that this corrupt administration is in the process of taking control of the previously independent Electoral Commissioners.

volver

The Times: www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tories-urged-to-return-450-000-donation-with-links-to-russia-h0djlqm6q

The Mirror: www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/major-boris-johnson-donor-suspected-26946479

The National : www.thenational.scot/news/20134833.major-tory-donor-suspected-pouring-russian-money-party/

The Spectator: www.spectator.co.uk/article/tories-face-questions-over-russia-linked-cash

I haven't read them all, but its certainly not being censored.

Thank you Volver. I haven’t seen any of these. It should be front page news in my opinion.

I am appalled that this government, mired as it is in sleaze, now has the general public inured to their corruption.

There was a small piece in The Guardian newsfeed about Sheleg pointing to Jane Bradley's work. All I know is that Johnson has brushed this off (well he would, wouldn't he?) and the Electoral Commission says it is looking into it.

I feel like we are in a state of limbo waiting for the police to conclude their investigations and for the Sue Gray report. Minister after minister making crass public statements about the costs of living crisis. We shall see what is said today about a windfall tax on oil profits. Johnson’s Hard Brexit pushed to help him win the leadership contest is proving to be a very dangerous mistake.

The *Tory MP who has consistently spoken out about Russian money is Tom Tugendhat who chaired the "Moscow Gold" committee and pressed for the Russia report to be publicised before the 2019 election while Johnson sat on it as he knew it would be damning.

*Chris Bryant for the opposition, of course.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/21/russian-dirty-money-is-damaging-uk-security-mps-say

The UK government has been complicit in all of this; why I find Johnson's posturing over Ukraine so sickening and his party using the Ukrainian people as a human shield to protect his position even more sickening.

Do I see Tugendhat as PM until we can rid ourselves of a Tory government altogether? Possibly not. He is more interested in foreign policy than domestic matters and is pro-nuclear energy. He should be in the cabinet as Foreign or Defence Secretary at the very least but as he is a fierce opponent of Johnson, it isn't going to happen under he is ousted.

Rousseau was right when he said:

The English people believes itself to be free; it is gravely mistaken; it is free only during the election of Members of Parliament; as soon as the Members are elected, the people is enslaved; it is nothing.

Thank you Volver.

The Times: www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tories-urged-to-return-450-000-donation-with-links-to-russia-h0djlqm6q

The Mirror: www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/major-boris-johnson-donor-suspected-26946479

The National : www.thenational.scot/news/20134833.major-tory-donor-suspected-pouring-russian-money-party/

The Spectator: www.spectator.co.uk/article/tories-face-questions-over-russia-linked-cash

I haven't read them all, but its certainly not being censored.

My mother used to get American newspapers sent to her by family before the Abdication crisis. The media in this country didn’t report a thing yet in America it was front page news.

Are we being subjected to censorship?

*Such stories

Espee I've only seen it mentioned on Twitter. It's quite worrying that the mainstream media can ignore as uch stories.

Possibly it’s the subject of an ongoing investigation …?

I still see no mention of the subject in the U.K. media.
Has anyone else seen anything? I did read about it on Twitter.

Worried that these threads make people think

Are you serious Daisy?

How does discussing or getting angry on here about these things change anything? It can't

The more that is revealed, the more limpet like Mr Johnson appears to be. Unless more in his own party resolve to get rid of him, we voters, even including Mr Starmer, will have to wait for the next GE.

Unless you have a plan of action you can share.

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is the sound of people getting worried that these threads do make people think - but they are seeing that going in a way they wouldn't want them to

What is that supposed to mean?

One thing I am hearing from Callistemon's, Grandmabatty's, GrannyGravy's, Kim's and Germanshepherdsmum's posts is the sound of people getting worried that these threads do make people think - but they are seeing that going in a way they wouldn't want them to

I think that statement needs some explanation Daisyann

I'll repeat my post in case you misunderstood it:

Perhaps some people just want a bit of light hearted relief and companionship

Probably they do.

How does discussing or getting angry on here about these things change anything? It can't.
It's like yelling at the television.
Perhaps it helps some posters let off steam but it might add to others' stress levels.

We don't know what other posters have going on in their lives either. Perhaps they just want a diversion from RL.

"our"

Our presumably means a Gransnet member?
A Gransnetter?
Someone belonging to the same forum as us?

MerylStreep

Esspee

I must say I despair when I see people contributing to threads about whether or not you iron tea towels but few are interested in issues like this.

Have you seen the latest pile on on one of our posters?
Disgraceful ?

Who are "our" in that sentence *MerylStreep"?

Floriel

AGAA4

Esspee

I must say I despair when I see people contributing to threads about whether or not you iron tea towels but few are interested in issues like this.

I do take part in the light-hearted threads because if I spent my day thinking about BJ and the corruption I would get depressed.
This doesn't mean that every day I don't wonder why he is still our PM. What does he have to do to be removed?
I'm starting to think he could get away with anything ?

I sometimes think Boris could parachute into the Kremlin, wrestle Putin to the ground, sit on him till he expired and all the Boris-bashers would say is, ‘well, he’d do anything to get out of the lockdown party scandal.’

Now that's what I call an unnecessary post.

One thing I am hearing from Callistemon's, Grandmabatty's, GrannyGravy's, Kim's and Germanshepherdsmum's posts is the sound of people getting worried that these threads do make people think - but they are seeing that going in a way they wouldn't want them to.

Private Eye have been writing about how corrupt Sheleg is for the last two years. Then he was the largest Tory donor and sole party treasurer.

All donations to the Conservative party are carefully vetted, says Boris Johnson of fears of Russian interference in UK politics.

Who was doing the the vetting? Udi Sheleg

Follow the track record link:

leftfootforward.org/2022/05/former-tory-party-treasurer-suspected-of-flooding-conservative-party-with-russian-money/

Johnson is the most dishonest and corrupt Prime Minister this country has ever had and it was know before he ever came to power.

I don’t like it trust our glorious leader. He’d Mr Johnson, not Boris

If the UK government was run by Larry the Cat it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to our support for Ukraine. But Boris has you believing otherwise.

Volver, why don’t you ask President Zelensky if he wants to get rid of Boris right now?

Och, those fingertips … ?