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volver Fri 20-May-22 09:19:30

An MP has been requested not to attend Parliament because he is under investigation for sexual offences and a different MP has to take down an offensive tweet about it.

An MP tells people who are suffering under the cost of living crisis that they need to work more hours or get a better paying job.

The Secretary of State for Culture and so on told a select committee about how she shares her Netflix password with her family, before her sidekick told her that was against the rules. The same Secretary of State said 96% of the public support the privatisation of Ch4 when the poll she was talking about shows its actually 96% that are against.

The Chancellor and his wife are now on the UK Rich List, first time ever for a frontline politician, but he told us that when it comes to helping people on low incomes, “computer says no”.

The PM is seen to attend illegal parties but apparently didn’t do anything illegal himself, but the junior civil servants who were there are apparently not blessed with this near-magical power to avoid prosecution.

We are planning to break international law on Rwanda and go back on a treaty on NI that was signed just two years ago.

Why are we not on the streets? What’s happened?

Urmstongran Fri 20-May-22 14:10:36

ps.Nicola Sturgeon paid a visit to the USA this week..she was warm;y welcomed by top politicians ,spoke to Brookings about the cimate emergency and renewables ( you do know SCOTLAND is a frontrunner in those) and Nancy Pelosi introduced her as Madam FM who is an inspiration to young women ,amonsgt other lovely things.
Bet you didn't see any of THAT in the Right wing media

I did actually paddyanne but more was made in the Telegraph on this as to how Sturgeon had annoyed the Scottish Green Party with regards to her stance on NATO. I was going to start a thread on it ....
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But then thought ‘nah, I’ll give it a rest for a while’.

DiamondLily Fri 20-May-22 14:05:18

The silly illegal water cannons, and non existent Garden bridge, along with a stream of other nonsensical Johnson vanity projects, were paid for by Londoners.

He was London Mayor, at the time.

Westminster had nothing to do with it. There are still internal investigations going on as to what happened to shed loads of GLA money, during his tenure.

Dinahmo Fri 20-May-22 12:20:11

Whitewavemark2

Urmstongran

Obama said we’d be at the ‘back of the queue’. Surprisingly we still voted for it.

That is because you believed the propaganda - remember project fear and the thousands of lies.

I’m sure you are not quite so naive now and have given it some intelligent thought and reached your own conclusion rather than what you were told would be true.

Wishful thinking. Some people will never admit that Brexit hasn't/won't be good for the country.

paddyann54 Fri 20-May-22 12:13:09

So what about the 6 that is SIX naval ships reclining in the south waiting for parts so they can be operational ,URM OR the crossrail "Elizabeth line" thats 5 years late and billions over cost ,,or theres HS2 that hasn't been built yet and is over budget already .
Theres a whole catalogue of things the same as these BUT they are the respnsibility of your ENGLISH government ...we dont get a say in any of them BUT we pay @10% of the costs for them ...even though we dont need them ,wont use them and they dont come near Scotland ..and lets not forget Bojo's Garden Bridge ..when DID that open ..oops it didn't or his Water Cannon...oh they were illegal to use ...
Clean up your own backyard please and stop blaming us for the state your not so great Britain is in !!
ps.Nicola Sturgeon paid a visit to the USA this week..she was warm;y welcomed by top politicians ,spoke to Brookings about the cimate emergency and renewables ( you do know SCOTLAND is a frontrunner in those) and Nancy Pelosi introduced her as Madam FM who is an inspiration to young women ,amonsgt other lovely things.
Bet you didn't see any of THAT in the Right wing media ..less than 5 minutes on the EBC .I do wonder why Westminster feels the need to manipulate the press ?

Whitewavemark2 Fri 20-May-22 12:05:50

I see that it has been ruled that the Rwanda scheme is illegal under the Geneva Convention 1951.

Our parent’s generation knew a thing or two didn’t they?

This lot know bugger all.

MaizieD Fri 20-May-22 11:51:42

No 1 in Laurence W. Britten's description of the fourteen common characteristics of fascist regimes:

Are you going to do the lot, OakDryad? grin

I, and some others, have been using the 'F' word on here for a couple of years. Mostly to be scorned by the hard of thinking...

OakDryad Fri 20-May-22 11:31:45

No 1 in Laurence W. Britten's description of the fourteen common characteristics of fascist regimes:

1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism. From the prominent displays of flags and bunting to the ubiquitous lapel pins, the fervor to show patriotic nationalism, both on the part of the regime itself and of citizens caught up in its frenzy, was always obvious. Catchy slogans, pride in the military, and demands for unity were common themes in expressing this nationalism. It was usually coupled with a suspicion of things foreign that often bordered on xenophobia.

Slogans we have had from the Tories:

Take back control
Forward together
Strong and stable
Get Brexit Done
Unleash Britain's Potential and

Britain Deserves Better

It certainly does.

Zonne Fri 20-May-22 11:20:09

What worries me is how inured people are becoming to this level of incompetence, corruption, abuse of power, and mendacity.

It damages the whole body politic, and both directly, through legislation, and indirectly, through the drip feed of mis- and dis-information via a largely compliant media, it is undermining what passes for democracy here

I think Brexit is entirely relevant, because there seem to be a still surprisingly large number of people who think that ‘getting Brexit done’ (even though it clearly is not even close) justifies anything this government does.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 20-May-22 11:17:54

Truss and Johnson being pressured by the DUP who scammed £1.5bn of taxpayers money are not telling the truth (what is new?)

“The protocol is working. There is no hard border between north and south. The EU single market is protected, as is the Republic of Ireland’s place in it. Northern Ireland is outperforming the UK economically and north-south trade has increased.”

Whitewavemark2 Fri 20-May-22 11:14:44

Peter Kyle MP

These comments aren’t made as part of the Special Relationship - the United States is a co-guarantor of the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement.

They have a duty and legal right to speak in its defence.

There is a way forward: negotiation and statecraft. Do the hard work

Whitewavemark2 Fri 20-May-22 11:13:49

Nancy Pelosi
@SpeakerPelosi
It is deeply concerning that the United Kingdom now seeks to unilaterally discard the Northern Ireland Protocol, which preserves the important progress and stability forged by the Accords. It continues to enjoy strong bipartisan & bicameral support in the United States Congress.

The Good Friday Accords are the bedrock of peace in Northern Ireland and a beacon of hope for the world. Ensuring there is no physical border between the Irish Republic and Northern Ireland is necessary for upholding this landmark agreement, which transformed Northern Ireland.

As I have stated in my conversations with the Prime Minister, the Foreign Secretary & Members of the House of Commons, if the United Kingdom chooses to undermine the Good Friday Accords, the Congress cannot & will not support a bilateral free trade agreement with the U.K.

The children of Northern Ireland, who have never known the bloody conflict and do not want to go back, deserve a future free of the violence where all may reach their fulfillment.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 20-May-22 11:10:11

I also note that Dorries is making a spectacular fool of herself answering to the select committee.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 20-May-22 11:09:08

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"When I speak of Fascism in England, I am not necessarily thinking of Mosley and his pimpled followers. English Fascism, when it arrives, is likely to be of a sedate and subtle kind (presumably, at any rate at first, it won’t be called Fascism)"
- George Orwell

DiamondLily Fri 20-May-22 10:38:45

It looks like the sunny uplands of a massive post Brexit trade deal with the US, as promised by Johnson, is off now. No surprise here..?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10836357/US-wades-Northern-Ireland-Brexit-rules-row-warning-Boris.html

Wheniwasyourage Fri 20-May-22 10:37:38

You may know about the things you mention, Urmstongran but they are things that don't affect you. It's nice of you to be concerned about our ferries mess, our drugs deaths and all the other problems we have, but they are affecting us, not you. Mr Johnson's crimes and his cabinet's stupidities affect all UK citizens. Why can't you see the difference?

Whitewavemark2 Fri 20-May-22 10:26:44

Urmstongran

Obama said we’d be at the ‘back of the queue’. Surprisingly we still voted for it.

That is because you believed the propaganda - remember project fear and the thousands of lies.

I’m sure you are not quite so naive now and have given it some intelligent thought and reached your own conclusion rather than what you were told would be true.

Urmstongran Fri 20-May-22 10:23:19

Obama said we’d be at the ‘back of the queue’. Surprisingly we still voted for it.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 20-May-22 10:19:46

I see the USA is giving out warning notices. Pelosi has said “forget a trade deal” if Johnson continues to threaten the GFA.

vegansrock Fri 20-May-22 10:19:44

Isn’t the NI protocol to do with Brexit ?

Urmstongran Fri 20-May-22 10:19:15

Oh I’m not so sure it’s about things we know nothing about. It’s no laughing matter to hear that Scotland has the ferries debacle, the highest drug related deaths in Europe, the ‘missing’ £6 million that Police Scotland are assessing, Sturgeon’s take on NATO without Trident etc. Glass houses and stone throwing come to mind.

I suppose nowhere is perfect though if we’re honest. Even Europe have their scandals at present. Our government is one of many it seems struggling to impress the voting public.

A GE in a couple of years will kick them all out.
Or not.

Granny23 Fri 20-May-22 10:17:37

I have a better idea! Turn Westminster into the English parliament and reallocate all the 'reserved powers' to the currently devolved but then independent, parliaments in Wales, Scotland and NI

paddyann54 Fri 20-May-22 10:12:30

Power devolved is power retained Urm we have LIMITED powers here on a percentage of OUR money handed out like pocket money from a government who give billions to their mates.
I think you'll find ...or probably know that the Scottish government is voted in by people who LIVE in Scotland

.That kinda makes it just as valid as your toxic tories.

Why are you SO obsessed by what happens here when it doesn't affect you? Scottish MP's cant vote on English laws yet English MP's regularly vote on matters that affects us .
Is that YOUR idea of democracy?
Sure as hell isn't mine !!

Wheniwasyourage Fri 20-May-22 10:09:28

Really, Urmstongran? As much division as is caused by your pal Mr Johnson? I've previously had a post deleted for suggesting that you are surprisingly interested in what happens here considering that doesn't affect you, so I don't expect this one to last.

volver is quite right to point out that just because the shenanigans she mentions are going on in London that they only affect England. Please think about what is UK business, what is purely Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish, and what is purely English.

volver Fri 20-May-22 10:08:18

OK, I'm fed up. You win.

If anyone wants to talk about the incompetent government we've got in charge of Britain, please do.

If the rest of you want to point and laugh about something you don't know anything about, as is the wont of Unionists everywhere, please go ahead.

Urmstongran Fri 20-May-22 10:03:52

Hey just had a thought then ... why not scrap Holyrood as it doesn’t seem to wield much impact? Maybe it’s time to sack Blair’s devolution system? Actually it only seems to generate division anyway!