19 children and two adults murdered in school shooting in Texas

My American cousin wants to come and live here. She hates so many things about her country and this is her ancestral home. It was her gt grandparents who emigrated from Scotland in about 1880 for that better life..

Freedom is a dangerous word - my freedom stops where yours starts

Followed by Congresswoman Boebert:

Remember this Christmas card sent out just after a school shooting last December?

Congressman Thomas Massie of Kentucky tweeted: “Merry Christmas! ps. Santa, please bring ammo

There isn't much hope that things will change in the land of the free, is there.

All of us who were closely or more peripherally affected by the Dunblane tragedy will be grieving again today. There was hope that in the aftermath, changes to gun laws here would also result in changes in other Countries but little has changed. Indeed, in the USA, there seems to be an atrocity every month or so, as if the publicity surrounding one instance, triggers another. Sometimes I despair about humankind.

So very sad but whilst you have the attitude of so many Americans things will never change. They even sell guns to children in nice pretty colours. They are so different from people in the rest of the world but they think they are superior

Arming teachers and schoolchildren with guns is the first step on the path to madness.

it's the stockade mentality.
where does it end.
doesn't make for a healthy community.

“Republicans are working to create a distance between the shooting and gun restrictions- pushing instead for armed teachers and administrators as well as greater police presence in schools.”
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I wondered the same thing.

I feel it is a competition - my gun is bigger than your gun, so the gun owner buys a rifle
The bigger gun guy feels "unprotected" and goes for the an upgrade to the rifle....

So, the more arsenal the better and it reinforces their right to "protect themselves"?

that right to bear arms relates to a well-ordered militia.
so even with the law as it stands, the 2nd amendment, it could be interpreted and enforced much more strongly, which would help to restrict such atrocities.
apart from crime, there is also a vast number of accidental shootings, many of/by children.

SueDomin You would imagine every parent would be anti-gun and living in constant terror. But the gun lobby must be parents themselves, at least half of them.

crazyH

What an utter tragedy - the desperation of those mothers running to the school, and wondering whether their child is dead or alive ?
While on the subject of desperation, did anyone see the clip of that little boy who fell down a drain, while talking a walk? You could see her desperation, when she threw the manhole cover aside and jumped in to save her son….?

Yes I did see the little child falling down the manhole. Terrifying. It just gave way and he disappeared. I shall never step on a manhole cover again.

Hithere

That's a good question

They are luckily small enough that they are not aware of the magnitude of this yet

It’s such a hard road to walk when your DC are older. My GC are eight and 12, the younger one prone to anxiety anyway. I feel so sorry for my son and daughter-in-law in not being able to reassure their children that they’ll be safe at school.

I’m also baffled by the pro-gun lobby - do none of them have a family? Do they never feel a frisson of fear when their children set off for school the day after a massacre such as this? Or do they value their guns above their children? Or live in Cloud Cuckoo Land, that it won’t happen to them?

What an utter tragedy - the desperation of those mothers running to the school, and wondering whether their child is dead or alive ?
While on the subject of desperation, did anyone see the clip of that little boy who fell down a drain, while talking a walk? You could see her desperation, when she threw the manhole cover aside and jumped in to save her son….?

I don't think arming teachers would be a good idea, that would make them the first targets and leave the children without adults to try to usher them to safety.

If Americans insist on keeping the outdated right to bear arms then they should raise the age at which guns can be bought and ban the selling of anything other than hand guns - why does any civilian need an assault rifle?

Perhaps pictures of those poor children should be displayed at the NRA meeting due to take place shortly!

This is not the right to bear arms - let me clarify this

Somebody took advantage of that and took it to extremes

Disclaimer: I do not agree with this right

It is just a sad reflection on American society when the right to bear arms takes precedence over all else, including childrens lives.
No justification for any private citizen to need automatic weapons.

This is more than a weapon issue

In several cases, the shooter displayed examples of intent in social media, friends, etc
In other cases, they were well known risky cases of mental health illness

It is also the lack of seeing the red flags and preventing a tragedy

That's a good question

They are luckily small enough that they are not aware of the magnitude of this yet

I don’t know what to say because it’s all been said before, over and over, but nothing changes.

Hithere I think you have little ones? How do you explain this to your own children so they don’t live in fear? ??

The second ammendment of the US Constitution is the right to bear arms

That and lobbyist efforts will make change impossible

President Biden very well expressed his thoughts in this matter last night, risking upsetting a lot of people, but he also has the support of a lot of sectors- his words were 100% spot on and I am proud he stands by them

Nothing will change, sadly.
It will however turn into another reason to hate the Latin community as the shooter was of Latin descendant.
Texas is a horrible racist state already - it is about to get worse

In my experience, Republicans sympathizers are usually very gun friendly, pro lifers and pride themselves in church going and religious
Texas is the mecca of Republican mentality

How they do not see the contradiction of their values is beyond me

Those who still believe in their right to bear arms should be made to visit the autopsy and see the poor little victims with their own eyes. Anyone with an ounce of compassion, etc, but we've said it all before, haven't we?

They really can't see it can they? Completely blinded by their belief in 'the right to bear arms'. How did it ever come to the 'right to bear automatic rifles'? The changes have to come within their society so we can only hope the anti-gun lobby fight their corner with more force.