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The Ministerial code is to be watered down

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TopsyIrene06 Fri 27-May-22 15:29:28

Pippa Crerar reports that the PM has watered down the ministerial code allowing ministers to break the rules without resigning. He has also blocked a bid to give his ethics advisor the power to investigate him. In addition, he also dismissed calls from Lord Geidt who asked for the power to launch an independent investigation of behaviour in the wake of the Downing Street flat row.
Anybody else picked this up?

DiamondLily Sat 28-May-22 05:02:36

Our long standing local Tory MP, Sir Bob Neill, has sent in a letter of "no confidence" last night. Well done him. ?

news.sky.com/story/partygate-senior-tory-sir-bob-neill-submits-no-confidence-letter-as-number-of-mps-calling-for-johnson-to-go-ramps-up-12622715

MayBee70 Sat 28-May-22 00:31:59

growstuff

Lovetopaint037

Surely such changes have to be voted on in Parliament or has that b………std altered that without consultation. I am depressed and sick to my stomach at not only what he is doing but the MPs who are supporting him. Don’t they realise they are tarring themselves with the same filthy brush. Surely we should take to the streets and shout our disgust with this usurper of decency..

And the right-wing press would label protesters as a noisy rabble! Apparently, Sir Bob Neill has submitted a letter of no confidence, so maybe the ball has started rolling.

He actually sounds like a really decent MP. One of the few decent Tory MP’s left in parliament.

RichmondPark Sat 28-May-22 00:10:00

My safe seat Tory MP never replies. I wrote to the local Conservative party to ask why and if they are happy with this.

That was three weeks ago. They haven't replied.

growstuff Fri 27-May-22 23:29:06

Lovetopaint037

Surely such changes have to be voted on in Parliament or has that b………std altered that without consultation. I am depressed and sick to my stomach at not only what he is doing but the MPs who are supporting him. Don’t they realise they are tarring themselves with the same filthy brush. Surely we should take to the streets and shout our disgust with this usurper of decency..

And the right-wing press would label protesters as a noisy rabble! Apparently, Sir Bob Neill has submitted a letter of no confidence, so maybe the ball has started rolling.

MayBee70 Fri 27-May-22 23:17:18

I think I’ll email her but say I don’t want a reply as wasting so much paper is bad for the environment. Interesting to see what sort of response I get from the Speakers office.

Esspee Fri 27-May-22 22:56:17

MayBee70

It isn’t even worth me writing to my MP. She will just defend him yet again.

Why not write to the Conservative Party in your area, the ones who choose replacement candidates letting them know that unless the incumbent denounces the PM they will lose your vote and those of all your friends and family.

There surely cannot now be a single decent person who is unable to see the danger this man is to our country.

Lovetopaint037 Fri 27-May-22 22:54:49

MayBee70

Waste of time writing to my MP about this. Will try The Speaker. I want an answer as to how Johnson can just do this….

You must have the same MP as me. Writing to him has no response. He is, what has always been, a safe seat. He does little locally and is a dead loss. How I would love to see him lose his seat.

RichmondPark Fri 27-May-22 22:44:46

There is an article on this in the Daily Mail and the comments underneath are almost universally scathing. The general opinion is that this is the final straw and is shameless.

Could this be the turning point?

Lovetopaint037 Fri 27-May-22 22:42:16

Another thing. He is behaving like Putin. He changed the rules in order that he could stay in power.

Lovetopaint037 Fri 27-May-22 22:37:36

Surely such changes have to be voted on in Parliament or has that b………std altered that without consultation. I am depressed and sick to my stomach at not only what he is doing but the MPs who are supporting him. Don’t they realise they are tarring themselves with the same filthy brush. Surely we should take to the streets and shout our disgust with this usurper of decency..

growstuff Fri 27-May-22 22:33:17

This needs a cross party rebellion, including the Lords, but it needs to be seen as the "people"'s response. The word Volk people is the buzzword.

MayBee70 Fri 27-May-22 22:27:05

Waste of time writing to my MP about this. Will try The Speaker. I want an answer as to how Johnson can just do this….

MayBee70 Fri 27-May-22 21:30:03

And, yet again it’s announced when parliament goes into recess…he’s going to watch himself…becoming far too predictable…

Chocolatelovinggran Fri 27-May-22 21:29:03

Truly, words fail me - and that is very unusual.

growstuff Fri 27-May-22 21:21:03

Of course it will "stand up", if MPs think they'll keep their jobs.

growstuff Fri 27-May-22 21:20:12

The House of Commons has a huge Conservative majority and we've seen before that too many of them will say one thing, but won't follow through.

Urmstongran Fri 27-May-22 21:14:36

Re the ministerial code. Does it not have to be agreed by say the House of Commons, or a committee, or something other than the PM on his own? If everyone is howling about it, surely it won’t stand up.

Sorry I’m distracted by other stuff at home/family tonight.

Urmstongran Fri 27-May-22 21:12:16

there are 10 times more English MP's than all the rest of the nations put together!!

paddyanne isn’t this proportional representation?
I.e. 5 million Scots + 50 million English voters?

growstuff Fri 27-May-22 21:02:22

paddyann54

Daisyann ENGLAND has a parliament ,its at WM ,there are 10 times more English MP's than all the rest of the nations put together!! Theres also EVEL .which means we cant vote on anything Englsih but they can vote on things that affect us .
You can guess how that works !
This is not democracy .

No, the Westminster parliament is the parliament of the UK (with certain powers devolved), whether you like it or not. Now is not the time to be arguing the case for independence - this is too important.

paddyann54 Fri 27-May-22 21:00:23

Daisyann ENGLAND has a parliament ,its at WM ,there are 10 times more English MP's than all the rest of the nations put together!! Theres also EVEL .which means we cant vote on anything Englsih but they can vote on things that affect us .
You can guess how that works !
This is not democracy .

growstuff Fri 27-May-22 20:59:33

And The Times:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-changes-ministerial-code-so-rule-breakers-can-avoid-sack-sz68nskxm

growstuff Fri 27-May-22 20:58:56

And the Independent:

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-code-conduct-resign-b2088965.html

growstuff Fri 27-May-22 20:58:13

It is on Sky:

news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-changes-ministerial-code-so-those-who-breach-it-dont-have-to-quit-or-face-sack-12622599

growstuff Fri 27-May-22 20:57:23

This is the report:

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1029944/Upholding_Standards_in_Public_Life_-_Web_Accessible.pdf

growstuff Fri 27-May-22 20:56:22

Try the BBC:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61607739