Politically homeless? Is there hope?

I just dont know Icanhandthemback it looks as though this lot would have some finance behind them which is always helpful.

I am politically homeless, because I don't like Boris and Starmer has no idea what a woman is! Where do I go from here!

I really liked him and the country was good! Children were taken care of and all was good. I would like to know more of what Anniebach said.

Or vote tactically.

When it comes to TB's terms of office, you have to divorce the foreign from the domestic policy. Yes, you can hate him for the war as regards foreign policy but his domestic policy, as it affected the lives of thousands, was pretty good. We need BJ out, or at least that majority reduced to next to zero. The only way to do that is to vote Labour. This isn't a time to stand on being politically homeless. This is a time to get him out. Don't waste your vote on other parties that won't get enough to make that happen. We need him out. Labour's policies are more likely to favour the less fortunate. I can't understand this constant need to have everything on a plate now. We are in a game of 'next election political poker'. You don't display your hand until you have to, otherwise your ideas are stolen, and regurgitated in a form that is worse than useless.If you don't want to wake up to BJ as your PM the day after the election, vote Labour.

paddyanne, where did I speak for you?

I have said that all of my offline friends who are feminists are agonising over who to vote for because of this situation. Some would vote for SNP but are reconsidering their options, and the same applies to others with Labour, the Lib Dems and the Greens.

Which bit of that is about you in any way, or 'speaks for you' in any way, please? I am so fed up with having my words twisted on here.

This is what I said:
*I meant it when I said that I don't know any (offline) feminists who are not struggling with who to vote for. In my area this includes Labour, Lib Dem and Green voters, and I have several friends in Scotland who are debating whether to vote SNP, because this issue is more important to them than the independence they also value.

I didn't say that the parties 'have' got together, but that it feels as though they have done so, as the opposition to the Tories has been massively eroded by this issue, which does matter to a lot of women. Not because we are sheep, not because we don't care about other policies, but because this one does matter to us. Believe it. Don't believe it. It's no skin off my nose either way. It may or may not be representative of women across the country, but it is true of the women in my social circle, for what that's worth, which is all I was saying.

I really wish the LP would talk to us instead of pretending to think that women have penises and men cervixes. It makes them look foolish, and shows contempt for their voters.*

Gossamerbeynon1945

I really liked Tony Blair until the war in Iraq then I really didn't like him for going along with George Bush He had very good ideas at the time!

I wasn't happy with New Labour and their ripping up of Clause IV on nationalisation and weakening the influence of trades unions. However, Blair's governments did achieve a great deal. They removed most hereditary peers, established the Supreme Court; held referendums for devolved administration in Scotland and Wales. Blair was involved in the negotiation of the Good Friday Agreement. He oversaw a large increase in public spending, especially in healthcare and education, championed multiculturalism and immigration from new EU member states providing a flexible labour supply. He introduced the National Minimum Wage Act, the Human Rights Act 1998 and the Freedom of Information Act 2000 and from 2004 allowed gay couples to enter into civil partnerships.

Sadly, his achievements will be forever tainted by the 2003 war on Iraq and his claim that Saddam had WMD.

His son is doing a lot to create apprenticeships for young people I believe. And I assume the Blair’s pay their taxes. He didn’t have to remain politically active when he left government but I truly believe he wants to try to make the world a better place. I also think that Iraq haunts him but that he believed that taking out a despotic leader who was slaughtering his own people was the right thing to do.

Have you seen today the property portfolio the Blair’s and their children have? It is truly mind boggling. It’s obscene anyone having so much money and property.. their son 700million. The Blair’s, just two of their homes are 20 million. So I don’t think anyone would listen to him getting involved with the homeless.doing anything for the homeless, sell a property and help the homeless. Don’t know what my dad would have to say about his once great party.

Thats nonsense doodledog The SNP are doing their job by trying to be inclusive of everyone .They aren't putting trans rights over womens rights .Dont speak for me please ,Im a feminist but I want my young family and friends who are trans to have the best life they can .
If we continue to make rules that seperate them its the equivalent of a big yellow star on their arm .
Its NOT an easy choice for these people to make and its a tough road to travel .I have never heard of any issues of transwomen in toilets .I've heard about scholl janitors or swimmingpool attendants upskirting etc ..but no trans .Should we ban all male janitors and attendants ?
Life moves on and we should be open to change ,it will happen without us agreeing anyway .
It should be about making the changes at a pace that suits us all

Galaxy

I would be surprised if its preparation for a centrist party. I think that's been tried too recently with no success.

Do you think that might have been less successful because it was done so quickly with little time to really make an impact in the GE? It may well be that with the right backing, the right policies and without Brexit being a burning issue that a Centrist Party might be more successful.

We don’t know what was said , at the enquiry much was not
allowed to be heard .

I really liked Tony Blair until the war in Iraq then I really didn't like him for going along with George Bush He had very good ideas at the time!

I would be surprised if its preparation for a centrist party. I think that's been tried too recently with no success.

volver

^Successful Scandinavian countries have a labour socialist government.^

I did a bit of a Google.

Norway - Social Democrats
Sweden - Social Democrats
Denmark - Social Democrats
Iceland - Liberal
Finland - Social Democrats

How fascinating. That cheers my Liberal/Social Democratic heart.

I hope we can see the conference. I am happy to listen to what those speaking have to say. Why would you not be?

I listened to Johnson and made my own mind up. I listened to Corbyn and made my own mind up. And back and back it goes. I don't need the sort of parties who think that their way is the only way. They tear one another apart, and in the process our country. Currently I only want two things. PR, and also people who work for the good of our country, the good of our people and the good of our communities.

It is a centrist CONFERENCE - not a party.

Yes, I realised that, Wwmk2, but it looks more like preparation for a centrist party than ideas for... ideas for who or what?
I'll keep an eye on it, though.

Politicians should represent the views of their constituents. If they stop doing that, they don't get the votes, which is what may well happen over this issue. That's democracy. They can't just impose a point of view on the people they represent, and then refuse to discuss it.

I prefer them to understand the priorities of the electorate not for them to try and shape the electorate into what they want them to be.

volver

^I agree that we need the Tories out, but it feels as though all of the opposition parties have got together to prevent this from happening.^

Sorry, but are you serious? You can't be serious!

It couldn't be that all the parties but the Tories don't agree with your view? Which is allowed, of course? And if you don't want to vote for them then don't vote for them.

I will vote for whichever party I choose, thanks. I am happy to explain my reasons for doing so, and there is no need for 'you can't be serious' comments. I am perfectly serious.

I meant it when I said that I don't know any (offline) feminists who are not struggling with who to vote for. In my area this includes Labour, Lib Dem and Green voters, and I have several friends in Scotland who are debating whether to vote SNP, because this issue is more important to them than the independence they also value.

I didn't say that the parties 'have' got together, but that it feels as though they have done so, as the opposition to the Tories has been massively eroded by this issue, which does matter to a lot of women. Not because we are sheep, not because we don't care about other policies, but because this one does matter to us. Believe it. Don't believe it. It's no skin off my nose either way. It may or may not be representative of women across the country, but it is true of the women in my social circle, for what that's worth, which is all I was saying.

I really wish the LP would talk to us instead of pretending to think that women have penises and men cervixes. It makes them look foolish, and shows contempt for their voters.

OK then. You'd prefer candidates to just say the things that win them the elections, but not the things they believe in? Not my idea of a trustworthy politician, sorry.

To use another example my constituency is of the 'red wall' Labour for a thousand years and turned Tory at the last election. Would you like to know what the ex labour mp is currently doing. Posting all over social media about the evils of the Jubilee celebration. Its this utter lack of understanding of the people who used to vote Labour. Do I wish didnt have a Royal family - yes, do I think the Labour party should be doing anything at the moment but nodding and waving a flag - no.

The labour party have handed it to the Tory party on a plate though volver thats what I am beyond irritated with. Its amazed me that it took so long for Johnson to seize on it, but he has now.

I agree that we need the Tories out, but it feels as though all of the opposition parties have got together to prevent this from happening.

Sorry, but are you serious? You can't be serious!

It couldn't be that all the parties but the Tories don't agree with your view? Which is allowed, of course? And if you don't want to vote for them then don't vote for them.

I was aiming at Garnet25, who said she was disenfranchised.

Also, refuting the idea you put forward that there isn't a single feminist who isn't struggling with this. Well there are two on this thread.

The self indulgence that Galaxy mentions above is the need to drag every political thread possible into the trans debate. While people are scared of dying of hunger and the cold and our democratic institutions are threatened by the worst government in living memory.

You can vote for who you like, nobody's stopping you. But implications about people who don't agree with you about the relative importance of different topics, and claiming that you are being sneered at, that won't win anybody over.

Mmm that's what they all say doodle .
Actually I think we probably disagree a bit with regard to the Labour Party. I want them to stop talking about that subject right now. But I guess it's way too late for that.