Pro Queen / anti M&H

Germanshepherdsmum

Sorry, I get it now. Meghan joined the RF of her own free will, I’m sure seeing it as some kind of prize, and either didn’t realise she could no longer say what she wished in public or, more likely, thought she would change that. She has played the victim ever since she failed to get her own way.

Most women marry men of "their own free will" usually because they fall in love with them. If they are subsequently made to do things they don't want to, to behave in ways that upset them and to change their behaviour to please others isn't that the very nature of abuse? No matter who is responsible. As for not getting her own way that's been used as an excuse to control women throughout history. Never her way always his way! I'm amazed any woman in the 21st century would see things in such an old fashioned patriarchal way

An abused Megan, that is surely a winner in the ‘defence of Megan’

Sorry, I get it now. Meghan joined the RF of her own free will, I’m sure seeing it as some kind of prize, and either didn’t realise she could no longer say what she wished in public or, more likely, thought she would change that. She has played the victim ever since she failed to get her own way.

Germanshepherdsmum

Who was that addressed to?

easybee said I don't think MM intended to change the royal family. I believe she saw it as a platform for self-promotion, and had no understanding of the restrictions and conventions which apply to its members. She saw it as gagging, so used her royal connection to promote herself in America, whilst playing the victim.
I just wondered if women who consider someone is gagging them can be accused of playing the victim. Isn't that how abuse always works? Its a general question to everyone

StarDreamer, great posts. You missed out that his wife would have to give up making her own decisions, be unable to have the final say on her child's name, etc.

Yes Chestnut, you’re right, all we can do is form an idea based on what we see and hear, but there is so much more that we don’t know about all the people involved that we aren’t in a position to judge. And I don’t think we should underestimate the influence of the various media in any given controversy.

I have formed an opinion of the characters involved, like most other people, but I don’t know the truth.

Who was that addressed to?

I wonder if you feel someone or some people are trying to gag you and you protest about it are you really "playing the victim?"

Anniebach

Men who marry into the royal family are subservient , conformist husbands Glorianny ?

No even Philip who is ostensibly the only man to marry anyone of importance managed to make things work his way when he wanted. First years of her marriage the Queen was a navy wife and lived very conventionally. There were numerous times when Philip misbehaved and was able to brush it off. He could be bad tempered, racist and dismissive but he didn't get as much bad press.

I think for "commoner" women to fit into the family, they have to be willing to become subservient to "the rules", the firm, and never try to outshine their royal husbands..

Diana, Sarah Ferguson, and Meghan were much too independent minded, so failed.

Kate and Sophie Wessex are happy to do that, so will succeed.

Delila

It’s easier to form an impression of some members of the Royal Family than others, because we hear more from them directly and their activities are more visible. In addition, our opinions are influenced by whatever spin the media care to put on those activities. If you keep most of your private life under wraps the media can’t do that & we fill in the gaps. I’m saying we don’t have the full picture.

If we knew more about the other family members we might be surprised - how do we know?

There is the media spin and there are their actual appearances and the words they use when they speak. We can ignore the former but we do get an idea of what they're like from hearing them speak and from their actions which speak louder than words. H&M have shown their true colours so there is no doubt what they are like.

Good post eazybee.

It’s easier to form an impression of some members of the Royal Family than others, because we hear more from them directly and their activities are more visible. In addition, our opinions are influenced by whatever spin the media care to put on those activities. If you keep most of your private life under wraps the media can’t do that & we fill in the gaps. I’m saying we don’t have the full picture.

If we knew more about the other family members we might be surprised - how do we know?

Men who marry into the royal family are subservient , conformist husbands

They are, Annie. Look at Prince Philip who had to give up his career.

Whether men or women, they have to try and fit in. It's reported that Meghan was given every opportunity to learn about Royal protocol, including one of the Queen's own assistants to give her advice, but that she didn't want to take it, and she thought she could change things to suit herself, never mind 1,000 years of history. (her "Hit the ground running" comment).

I've always thought that Annie's comment was right in that Meghan thought she would be "Queen Bee" and didn't like it when she wasn't. She was jealous of Kate's status.

Have read with interest, every post, first time for that.
I've found it very enlightening.
In a nut-shell, I agree with eazybee's comments.
Summed it up well.

Delila

Good post Eazybee, and you may be right, but on the other hand we may all be wrong. How much insight do any of us really have into any of these people? We don’t know them and I don’t see how any of us can defend or attack, as we have no idea what they are really like, their real lives are a closely-guarded secret.

We're not commenting on their private lives, but on their public behaviour towards the Royal Family. The words came right out of their mouths so there is no room for doubt.

For myself I am not terribly impressed with how Harry and Meghan have behaved since marrying. However, they are an important part of the Queen's family - she will, I am sure, still love Harry just as much as she ever did. Even when we don't always approve of our loved one's actions - we don't stop caring for them.

I am glad they will be in the UK for this celebration of her reign. I just hope the media do not try and focus on them to the detriment of the occasion.

Good post Eazybee, and you may be right, but on the other hand we may all be wrong. How much insight do any of us really have into any of these people? We don’t know them and I don’t see how any of us can defend or attack, as we have no idea what they are really like, their real lives are a closely-guarded secret.

Correction: Young people

Your people think very differently when they get older ?

Almost three in 10 young people now don’t support the monarchy, so lift your six pence pint and toast the next generation.

That surprises me somewhat. I'd have thought it was less than that.

Young people have been less enthused about the RF for many a generation.

I know I was totally disinterested in them when I was young as were my peers. This was in the 70s.

As I've got older I've seen all that's gone on and have decided I'm OK with having a monarchy.

Men who marry into the royal family are subservient , conformist husbands Glorianny ?

Eazybee ???

It is unfathomable we are worshipping the matriarch of a family which has scrounged every penny available from a nation where people are currently choosing between food and fuel. No need to buy a celebratory mug, you already are one.

Almost three in 10 young people now don’t support the monarchy, so lift your six pence pint and toast the next generation.
This lack of enthusiasm will not be reflected in coverage by the BBC, Sky and most of the media, who will be feeding us a bottomless bucket of sycophantic slop this weekend.

As Harry and Meghan would say, thank God for Netflix.

If you marry into the Royal Family you have to change to fit in with them. You can't expect Royal tradition and protocol to fit around you, or a whole family to bow to your demands.